Madrid played 442 and left the middle of the pitch wide open. If our remaining PL opponents do the same we'd have a great chance of staying up.
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The *WHEN* we go down thread
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Madrid played 442 and left the middle of the pitch wide open. If our remaining PL opponents do the same we'd have a great chance of staying up.
yiddo37
Sergei Rebrov
Leeds' result yesterday knocked me as I'm usually positive.
There are 5 games where we can get wins, not including Chelsea as they could have only 7 players on the pitch and still get a result against us.
I understand the lack of confidence and belief in the players and fanbase as the number of defeats have taken their toll but we still have a chance to drag ourselves out of this, the players need to really start putting in a shift.
Difficult as it will be v Brighton we can beat them, saw their match v Burnley and there were opportunities to score against them. Stop Mitoma and get someone (Palhinha or Gray) to drop between our midfield and the CB's to stop Welbeck coming deep to get the ball and also protect from shots outside the box.
Win this and then confidence should pick up for the trip to Wolves.
stratnumberone
Luke Young
Not at £60 a game it isn’t, which is what I expect them to be charging
glasgowspur
Paul Stewart
It's not being negative, it's being realistic.
I would never express the thought to anyone to whom it could have an impact on, ie someone actually at the club.
If I personally was in the situation where I had an impact I would not be giving up, but I'm not and I'd rather hope that if I was in such a situation we wouldn't be anywhere near relegation.
Should we avoid relegation then it would rank only slightly below the 84 EUFA Cup win, still the sporting highlight of my life, for me.
It's that massive, I just don't see how it happens.
Legohamster
Dimitar Berbatov
I think Danso, berg, Maddison and Gray would stay for a season
I think oddly Kulu would stay as he is back from a season out, no one will take the risk on him yet.
Mikey10
Paul Walsh
If we could keep those five I’d gladly ship anyone else tbh.
DeanoAustin
Ian Walker
My original point was around the people saying “we’re down, it’s done”.
That’s not realism, that’s just negativity. We’re two points from safety with 18 to play for. By any objective measure, it’s not done.
Mikey10
Paul Walsh
Mathematically you’re of course right, Deano. But every metric, including the eye test, says otherwise.
I’ll maybe have a small glimmer of hope by kick off time on Saturday, but it’ll take an absolute miracle now: a minimum of 3 wins in six games from a team that haven’t won in four months…
Sadly, I just don’t see any way this group of players do that.
SirPercyHotspur
Steven Caulker
Had a quick scan through EFL rules, ticketing next season could be interesting as the £30 away ticket concession only applies in the Premier League so away supporters in EFL can be charged the same price as home supporters plus there seems to be no obligation to provide senior citizen concessions although I expect every EFL does but who knows what ENIC might do.
35.7.10 Concessionary admission prices for senior citizens and children, if available to supporters of the Home Club, must also be available on a similar basis to visiting supporters.
35.7.10 Concessionary admission prices for senior citizens and children, if available to supporters of the Home Club, must also be available on a similar basis to visiting supporters.
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90sSpursBook
Stephen Clemence
What is it about relegation that most concerns you...on a visceral or practical level? For example is it...
1. The unmerciful banter that we'll have to endure from ALL other sets of fans etc
2. The fact it might be harder to watch games (specifically for those who don't attend matches and/or overseas fans)
3. Not competing, on a weekly basis, with the best teams and our most traditional rivals e.g. a fixture calendar without games against Liverpool, Man Utd etc (something we've all taken for granted)
4. The realisation that ultimate success (i.e. winning the league, champions league) suddenly becomes much further away.
5. The fear that we might not come back up again for a while/that if we do we become a Southampton/Leeds/Burnley that yo-yo's
6. The feeling that collectively we have failed massively (and that for many of us our football club is like a child that we're responsible for)
7. The suddenness of our demise to this extent
This is by no means an exhaustive list.
My follow-up question will be what positives can you see with relegation? Either very specific to us or more generally. E.g...
A) We'll be more likely to win more games (in theory
)
B) No VAR
C) A freshness to the fixture schedule - games against teams we've rarely played and different away days...while also not having to endure the misery of Chelsea, Arsenal derbies,
D) The opportunity for a complete rebuild and new start...and prospect of repeating what happened post-relegation in 1977
E) The fact that the EFL Championship may be more akin to the raw football experiences we may have grown up with in the 80s and 90s e.g. more saturday 3pm KO's
1. The unmerciful banter that we'll have to endure from ALL other sets of fans etc
2. The fact it might be harder to watch games (specifically for those who don't attend matches and/or overseas fans)
3. Not competing, on a weekly basis, with the best teams and our most traditional rivals e.g. a fixture calendar without games against Liverpool, Man Utd etc (something we've all taken for granted)
4. The realisation that ultimate success (i.e. winning the league, champions league) suddenly becomes much further away.
5. The fear that we might not come back up again for a while/that if we do we become a Southampton/Leeds/Burnley that yo-yo's
6. The feeling that collectively we have failed massively (and that for many of us our football club is like a child that we're responsible for)
7. The suddenness of our demise to this extent
This is by no means an exhaustive list.
My follow-up question will be what positives can you see with relegation? Either very specific to us or more generally. E.g...
A) We'll be more likely to win more games (in theory
)B) No VAR
C) A freshness to the fixture schedule - games against teams we've rarely played and different away days...while also not having to endure the misery of Chelsea, Arsenal derbies,
D) The opportunity for a complete rebuild and new start...and prospect of repeating what happened post-relegation in 1977
E) The fact that the EFL Championship may be more akin to the raw football experiences we may have grown up with in the 80s and 90s e.g. more saturday 3pm KO's
DeanoAustin
Ian Walker
I agree that every single thing is against us. Form, luck, circumstance, momentum. Nothing is going our way. Much of it self inflicted, some of it dumb luck.
3 wins from 6 seems a massive ask but it's not impossible. Wolves looked like they'd threaten Derby's record and then picked up. West Ham were 13 points behind us in January and are now two points ahead of us. Man U were only 4 points ahead of us when Carrick was appointed.
One win can change the momentum and free the players of the massive pressure and negativity they are under and feeling. The margins are now very, very fine though. We have little room for error. We're running out of time. A win has got to come soon.
But we are not down yet.
ricky2tricky4city
Paul Stewart
I think we are all showing signs, and are at various stages of acceptance. Trying to reason it out, looking for silver linings, clinging by our fingertips.What is it about relegation that most concerns you...on a visceral or practical level? For example is it...
1. The unmerciful banter that we'll have to endure from ALL other sets of fans etc
2. The fact it might be harder to watch games (specifically for those who don't attend matches and/or overseas fans)
3. Not competing, on a weekly basis, with the best teams and our most traditional rivals e.g. a fixture calendar without games against Liverpool, Man Utd etc (something we've all taken for granted)
4. The realisation that ultimate success (i.e. winning the league, champions league) suddenly becomes much further away.
5. The fear that we might not come back up again for a while/that if we do we become a Southampton/Leeds/Burnley that yo-yo's
6. The feeling that collectively we have failed massively (and that for many of us our football club is like a child that we're responsible for)
7. The suddenness of our demise to this extent
This is by no means an exhaustive list.
My follow-up question will be what positives can you see with relegation? Either very specific to us or more generally. E.g...
A) We'll be more likely to win more games (in theory
B) No VAR
C) A freshness to the fixture schedule - games against teams we've rarely played and different away days...while also not having to endure the misery of Chelsea, Arsenal derbies,
D) The opportunity for a complete rebuild and new start...and prospect of repeating what happened post-relegation in 1977
E) The fact that the EFL Championship may be more akin to the raw football experiences we may have grown up with in the 80s and 90s e.g. more saturday 3pm KO's
But I can tell you one thing......
the day it happens, it will HIT LIKE A fudging TRAIN.
DeanoAustin
Ian Walker
Honestly mate, for me, all of the negatives are true and I don't see a silver lining in any of the bottom ones.What is it about relegation that most concerns you...on a visceral or practical level? For example is it...
1. The unmerciful banter that we'll have to endure from ALL other sets of fans etc
2. The fact it might be harder to watch games (specifically for those who don't attend matches and/or overseas fans)
3. Not competing, on a weekly basis, with the best teams and our most traditional rivals e.g. a fixture calendar without games against Liverpool, Man Utd etc (something we've all taken for granted)
4. The realisation that ultimate success (i.e. winning the league, champions league) suddenly becomes much further away.
5. The fear that we might not come back up again for a while/that if we do we become a Southampton/Leeds/Burnley that yo-yo's
6. The feeling that collectively we have failed massively (and that for many of us our football club is like a child that we're responsible for)
7. The suddenness of our demise to this extent
This is by no means an exhaustive list.
My follow-up question will be what positives can you see with relegation? Either very specific to us or more generally. E.g...
A) We'll be more likely to win more games (in theory
B) No VAR
C) A freshness to the fixture schedule - games against teams we've rarely played and different away days...while also not having to endure the misery of Chelsea, Arsenal derbies,
D) The opportunity for a complete rebuild and new start...and prospect of repeating what happened post-relegation in 1977
E) The fact that the EFL Championship may be more akin to the raw football experiences we may have grown up with in the 80s and 90s e.g. more saturday 3pm KO's
This is catastrophic for Tottenham. A Premier League season kicking off without us in it? Unthinkable and unbelievable. A few years ago, we were being talked about as being at the very top table of football. Next season, we could be lower in the pecking order than Brentford, Bournemouth, Brighton, Palace, Coventry, Milwall, Sunderland. And the sad thing is, it's a very real prospect and it's exactly what we deserve.
Lemonade Money
Colin Calderwood
Only another 4 years before you can publish 20sSpursBook.What is it about relegation that most concerns you...on a visceral or practical level? For example is it...
1. The unmerciful banter that we'll have to endure from ALL other sets of fans etc
2. The fact it might be harder to watch games (specifically for those who don't attend matches and/or overseas fans)
3. Not competing, on a weekly basis, with the best teams and our most traditional rivals e.g. a fixture calendar without games against Liverpool, Man Utd etc (something we've all taken for granted)
4. The realisation that ultimate success (i.e. winning the league, champions league) suddenly becomes much further away.
5. The fear that we might not come back up again for a while/that if we do we become a Southampton/Leeds/Burnley that yo-yo's
6. The feeling that collectively we have failed massively (and that for many of us our football club is like a child that we're responsible for)
7. The suddenness of our demise to this extent
This is by no means an exhaustive list.
My follow-up question will be what positives can you see with relegation? Either very specific to us or more generally. E.g...
A) We'll be more likely to win more games (in theory
B) No VAR
C) A freshness to the fixture schedule - games against teams we've rarely played and different away days...while also not having to endure the misery of Chelsea, Arsenal derbies,
D) The opportunity for a complete rebuild and new start...and prospect of repeating what happened post-relegation in 1977
E) The fact that the EFL Championship may be more akin to the raw football experiences we may have grown up with in the 80s and 90s e.g. more saturday 3pm KO's
You just know that when the PL teams join the Carabao and FA Cups that's exactly who will be drawn against. Away.
If we haven't already been knocked out that is.
Yiddo.1882
Steve Slade
It might seem unlikely but if we secure four points from Brighton and Wolves the Villa game could actually be very winnable. Unless they collapse on Thursday it’s sandwiched between both legs of their Europa Semi, their priorities might be elsewhere and with a bit of momentum behind us anything’s possible.
glasgowspur
Paul Stewart
What is it about relegation that most concerns you...on a visceral or practical level? For example is it...
1. The unmerciful banter that we'll have to endure from ALL other sets of fans etc
2. The fact it might be harder to watch games (specifically for those who don't attend matches and/or overseas fans)
3. Not competing, on a weekly basis, with the best teams and our most traditional rivals e.g. a fixture calendar without games against Liverpool, Man Utd etc (something we've all taken for granted)
4. The realisation that ultimate success (i.e. winning the league, champions league) suddenly becomes much further away.
5. The fear that we might not come back up again for a while/that if we do we become a Southampton/Leeds/Burnley that yo-yo's
6. The feeling that collectively we have failed massively (and that for many of us our football club is like a child that we're responsible for)
7. The suddenness of our demise to this extent
This is by no means an exhaustive list.
My follow-up question will be what positives can you see with relegation? Either very specific to us or more generally. E.g...
A) We'll be more likely to win more games (in theory
B) No VAR
C) A freshness to the fixture schedule - games against teams we've rarely played and different away days...while also not having to endure the misery of Chelsea, Arsenal derbies,
D) The opportunity for a complete rebuild and new start...and prospect of repeating what happened post-relegation in 1977
E) The fact that the EFL Championship may be more akin to the raw football experiences we may have grown up with in the 80s and 90s e.g. more saturday 3pm KO's
1. Following sours for nearly 50 years banter becomes just background noise. No affect on me.
2. Efl is still on my stream box.
3. Hm, difficult one, has positive and negative.
4. It's been a long time since I thought we had any serious chance of the PL. CL is always an outside bet at best, so no real difference for me.
5. Yes, real concerns here. Not so much about the yoyo, more that more than two seasons and we are in trouble.
6. Yes, it's failure across main areas, fans included.
7. I'm still struggling to see how exactly we got here and so quickly. There's been a whole host of reasons, some out of our control.
A. If we win less games we will be relegated again next season
. B. We got fudged over before var, we got fudged over with VAR, we'll get fudged over without var.
It's not var, it's the officials.
C. Slightly positive, novelty will soon wear off if we struggle.
D. Yes, totally up for that.
E. Maybe it was different in England, although I very much doubt it, but the "fan experience" I had in the 70s, 80s and even the 90s are not something I want to return to.
A lot has changed since then thankfully and although I feel the atmosphere at the home games could do with a lot of improvement that's maybe part of a more wider ranging discussion.
Just my tuppence worth.
DeanoAustin
Ian Walker
Chelsea also look a mess at the moment. Not as bad as us but if they keep doing what they're doing and we get some momentum, it's not a write off. I know I'm straw clutching and I know ordinarily they could play their under 10s at Stamford Bridge and probably beat us but we have got to treat every game as a chance to get something. We have very, very little margin for error but there will be a twist somewhere in this run in.
DeanoAustin
Ian Walker
I actually thought Leeds might be our best bet to get out of this but I in no way thought they'd win last night. Looking at the rest of their fixtures, you'd have to say they now have a great chance of staying up.