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***OMT Tottenham Hotspur Football Club v Nottingham Forest***

Daisuk said:
This is a fan initiative, so not sure who’s supposedly victim blaming here. I don’t disagree with anything in your last paragraph, but I’m of the opinion that our team will perform better if supported, rather than only supported when playing well. That’s just my opinion though, and the science on it is inconclusive.
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,,,but the (human) science says that love and support always provides better results in any walk of life.
 
thfcsteff said:
,,,but the (human) science says that love and support always provides better results in any walk of life.
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Absolutely. It intuitively makes sense, of course. I only disclosed that addendum as I have been trying to find evidence for my bias, but different studies say different things. There is no real doubt though, is there? 60k people singing and cheering you on vs silence and/or booing - which do you get energy, joy and confidence from?

I’m really excited for Sunday now, hopefully we can really translate this initiative to the stadium and to the pitch, even if we go a goal down. Remember Bodø? The place was rocking and the performance was so good! Nobrainer, isn’t it.
 
thfcsteff said:
,,,but the (human) science says that love and support always provides better results in any walk of life.
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A tough one actually. I think you're right in that the "reward, not punish" approach works best with most.

However, tough love plays it's part as well.

The biggest and most subtlest thing happened with the Tudor / Simons presser question. Tudor had to subtly explain that Xavi's great game was more down to the player than the manager. He never said it was one or the other or tried to take credit. Igor knew that the press narrative doesn't care for this stuff. They just want it to be 100% manager or 100% player. It's either black or white in their tiny minds.

I have no clue how Tudor has approached Xavi. That's their business. It was great to see it play out in a positive way though.
 
It sounds like a huge amount of effort has gone into the planning for Sunday by THFCFlags and others - excellent work and I really hope it pays off. Sorry that I’ll be missing it. Hopefully it can be repeated at the rest of our home games.

I do have this niggling worry though - remembering our away fixture at Forest where the club gave out free scarves and Forest fans singing near the end “you’ve got your scarf, now f@ck off home”. I know this is on a different scale however.

Oh well, the fans in the stadium can play their part, then it’s up to the players (and officials)) to play theirs.
COYS!
 
Daisuk said:
This is a fan initiative, so not sure who’s supposedly victim blaming here. I don’t disagree with anything in your last paragraph, but I’m of the opinion that our team will perform better if supported, rather than only supported when playing well. That’s just my opinion though, and the science on it is inconclusive.
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The way it was posted, looked as if it was from the club, possibly even from POV of board members.

I bet there's plenty of evidence to support the power of positivity, but also think it's just easier for everyone if nobody kicks off. Unironically, I do believe the players should have a supportive work environment. Nobody should be taking in a hostile, vitroilic attitude into the match but whether we go down or not isn't fans venting about their personal life via football, it's points on the table.

Obviously it'd be a more popular stance to get behind the message and the team, high horses are readily available on the internet and everyone is a devoted and unwavering loyal bastion of support when describing themselves on the web, whilst glowering at scumbags who refuse to pretend that the likes ofDragusin or Sanchez are going to turn into prime Maldini if we clap loudly enough. And no, it doesn't help to lay into them either.
 
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Benny_Lad said:
Sometimes they can’t win.

Do nothing - “we’re sleep walking to relegation”

This week, they’ve conjured up a few ideas to get everyone right up for it for what is our most important game of the season.

Personally, I’m right behind it.
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What we do or don't do in the realms of PR / trying to muster up support from paying fans isn't the critical thing though, that just makes whatever transpires a bit more bearable.

As Daisuk says it's not from the club, they're just jumping on the bandwagon, like Levy with his "We've got our Tottenham back". I've no doubt the club, coaching staff and players are doing everything they can. So far it hasn't been enough to be even close to where we should be, and there's a lot of reasons why, looking at the club and the footballing sphere.The fans aren't the ones with a tow and a big van to pull the wrecked car out of the ditch, and tbf, we didn't drive it in there either. I'm not on the wind up, I still don't think we'll go down but Sunday's big obviously, I just don't think it's a Disney film where the power of unconditional support and love suddenly means we'll get out of dodge.
 
spurspinter1 said:
The way it was posted, looked as if it was from the club, possibly even from POV of board members.

I bet there's plenty of evidence to support the power of positivity, but also think it's just easier for everyone if nobody kicks off. Unironically, I do believe the players should have a supportive work environment. Nobody should be taking in a hostile, vitroilic attitude into the match but whether we go down or not isn't fans venting about their personal life via football, it's points on the table.

Obviously it'd be a more popular stance to get behind the message and the team, high horses are readily available on the internet and everyone is a devoted and unwavering loyal bastion of support when describing themselves on the web, whilst glowering at scumbags who refuse to pretend that the likes ofDragusin or Sanchez are going to turn into prime Maldini if we clap loudly enough. And no, it doesn't help to lay into them either.
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I believe the crowd reactions can have a big influence on the players both in positive and negative ways. The our performances at home has been poor for some time and the crowd frustration quickly comes to the fore, it seems to drain the confidence from the players and the fear of losing and maybe lack of commitment to the system makes it a painful watch and a bad experience to attend.
There are plenty of clubs that get good support from their fans like Palace and Sunderland yet that doesn't turn them into top table contenders which shows it's not a magic elixir to our problems, you just have to watch and listen to the support Frankfurt had when we played them.
One of the prime reasons I stopped attending home games last season was the behaviour of the people around me, they were like children over excited one minute and throwing tantrums the next, sure the game does play with your emotions but I get the feeling the whole world have to live where virtually everything must be lived at the extreme either fantastic or appalling.
I do find trying to create/force an artificial support embarrassing in most cases.
 
spurspinter1 said:
What we do or don't do in the realms of PR / trying to muster up support from paying fans isn't the critical thing though, that just makes whatever transpires a bit more bearable.

As Daisuk says it's not from the club, they're just jumping on the bandwagon, like Levy with his "We've got our Tottenham back". I've no doubt the club, coaching staff and players are doing everything they can. So far it hasn't been enough to be even close to where we should be, and there's a lot of reasons why, looking at the club and the footballing sphere.The fans aren't the ones with a tow and a big van to pull the wrecked car out of the ditch, and tbf, we didn't drive it in there either. I'm not on the wind up, I still don't think we'll go down but Sunday's big obviously, I just don't think it's a Disney film where the power of unconditional support and love suddenly means we'll get out of dodge.
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I totally agree, but with the fans in a positive and supportive vibe and full voice, might just be that gentle push needed to get over the wall you otherwise would not.
 
Daisuk said:
Absolutely. It intuitively makes sense, of course. I only disclosed that addendum as I have been trying to find evidence for my bias, but different studies say different things. There is no real doubt though, is there? 60k people singing and cheering you on vs silence and/or booing - which do you get energy, joy and confidence from?

I’m really excited for Sunday now, hopefully we can really translate this initiative to the stadium and to the pitch, even if we go a goal down. Remember Bodø? The place was rocking and the performance was so good! Nobrainer, isn’t it.
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I guess, I only ever hear cheering when i get to work.
 
Well something you can always rely upon is engineering works whenever we have a home game… can only assume that TFL is as infested with Woolwich Wanders as the Beeb!

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Either go with the “well he has to say that doesn’t he”, or go with the “it’s going to be amazing and will lift the team”. I’ll go with the latter.
 
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