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Nayim
Our previous high positions had more to do with Harry Kane than any of our managers, he is a unique forward.
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Next Manager Thread (2026 Edition)
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MartyFunkhouser
Terry Dyson
Its such a poorly put together though, stockpiling CMs, RBs playing LB, an average level of wingers and Richy is still at the club. Other than that its splendid
MartyFunkhouser
Terry Dyson
First Bale, then Kane & Son
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
Pat van den Hauwe
I disagree on Poch being purely someone to get us back into the top 5. But I appreciate we won’t agree there.
What I will say as another reason I think Poch Round 2 will be better for all concerned, is the sale of Brennan Johnson, because of what it shows. It shows that we will sell players at the peak of their value, and I think that is a big part of what Poch wanted, and when he didn’t get it, everything else started to slide.
If he can come in, develop our young players again, re-establish a culture, and actually be trusted to maintain that culture by moving players out when they are no longer suited to it, then I think we will do extremely well with him. In addition, it looks like we have loosened the wage structure. We still aren’t going to get the very best if a truly top club wants them, but I think we can get the very best younger players who still have room to develop that can ideally be more effective early on.
Those two things I think can really help Poch be more successful than he was here the first time.
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ricky2tricky4city
Barry Daines
I think if you strip it back.....we are on a run of nothing working since Poch, and that has generally fed into a declining spiral.
So, what difference does it make if Poch comes back and it's more of the same, we've lost nothing (apart from a load more games
)....so you give it a go and fingers crossed the magic man is back with his lemons. And I'm happy to to sacrifice his legacy if it goes tits up, but it's always felt like an itch that needs itching.
Plus, I think the timing isn't bad squad wise and if a bit of extra kitty money is true.
He may even get a month or two more leeway from the baying mob
We lack an elite player right now, there is no Son or Kane, and I was trying to temper expectations, he might do slightly better (still don't see top 3 being possible with this first 11)
Not taking the bait mate
So the problem is the team not the managers limitations? Presumably that gets addressed through the transfer market... unless you think there's a manager out there who can take this team to the top 3 I'm not understanding your position
As I've said repeatedly, it's both but measured against expectations/targets
- Do I think this team is capable of top 8? yes, possibly top 6 if full squad is available
- Do I think this team is capable of top 4 consistently? no, that needs to be addressed over time.
- Do I know that this team is better than 14th, should do better at home than Leeds, do better across numerous measurements than it currently does? yes, and that's on the manager.
It's been the crux of my concerns with Ange & Frank, if they had both got us 10th-12th and had the injuries as a caveat, there would be a genuine conversation about how they did what they could with what they had.
Just as easy to sit here and say -> we have no Kane, we lack an elite player/s, just as easy to say -> Frank and Ange had glaring tactical errors that every single manager in the PL sussed out and failed to adapt.
We need a manager to make us more than the sum of the parts, or at minimum get us par for the better players we have than the bottom 10 or so clubs in league (win consistently home and away against the trash in the PL and you will be in a Europe spot almost regardless of other results)
I meant in relation to your Poch comments. Surely the target for any manager is to get us back in and around the European spots, whoever that is will require strengthening of the team and the injuries to ease off. To go beyond that again will require strengthening and/or developing the youngsters to a point where they are at that level. No ones challenging at the top without investment and the investment paying off over a few windows
Who would these be? Just curious?
Bottom 8-10 sides, bottom 3 are absolutely brick most seasons, then you have 3-4 that are just aiming to stay up, then you have 2-3 that are just having a bad year (yes, aware that could be us the last 18 months)
Too lazy, but if you go back through our pretty consistent decade of top 6 finishes, we were quite good at beating lesser (if trash offends anyone) teams, but often had issues with top 6 teams (our record against United/Chelsea/Liverpool/Scum was horrendous) and yet still manager top 6 or better.
And yes, no easy games in PL .. blah, blah, a squad of our cost/depth should beat sides like Leeds/Wolves/Brentford/Sunderland/Burnley most times (and since nuance is hard, we won't win all, we just should win most.)
Today's premier league is nothing compared to the last decade. The "trash teams" have learnt that they can compensate for their lack of money through good management and buying good up and coming talent from Europe where even with their limitations, they still have superior financial clout than most other teams.
I must also say I do find your dismissive comments on the "Brentfords" rather condescending.... if we were as well run as the likes of Brentford, Bournemouth and Brighton we would be qualifying for the CL every season...
Would you say Poch still has the skills for this current PL? He defo hasn't been good since he left us. Any where. And his off the pitch comments stink sometimes in my view.
Alonso feels good.
Alonso feels good.
No we would not, that's the point (see my other post re their actual results), The model/investment/payback to stay in PL, be in top half, be in top 6, be in top 4, win things is all different models/requirements.
If Brentford/Brighton/Bournemouth discovered some secret way of maximizing football results that translated to the elite level, why isn't City, Madrid and Bayern using it? why is Liverpool still taking 100M+ punts on Wirtz when they could just buy the next Mbeumo for peanuts? surely they could just hire the smart people (if they are so genius that no other club can manage) to come work for them?
Those clubs are extremely well run for their objectives (i.e. stay in the PL), that model has shown no case of scaling upwards.
And yes, I'm fudging dismissive because we have a team that cost the best part of 600M+, on most days that team should beat Leeds, Bournemouth, Bentford, Brighton, Sunderland, Wolves, Fulham, etc. Two teams with good/equal tactics, the team with better squad should win more often, that's what has failed in the last 18 months not some sudden magic improvement in bottom half sides (everyone outside top 7 has a negative goal difference)
Gazza Dazzla
Rafael Van Der Vaart
Alonso’s the one, but he’s just not obtainable IMO, especially with Slot being so poor this season.
NoLimits01
Allan Nielsen
I think we need Poch back for one more roll of the dice if for no other reason than to get that particular monkey of any future managers back.
Mrs Vert
Mauricio Taricco
Hope so
Harry Kane who the club wanted to sell and none of our fans would have blinked before Poch arrived?
Has he been bad? PSG only kicked on when the Galacticos left and his Chelsea spell has aged well.
Lemonade Money
Colin Calderwood
He can basically bide his time for either Bayern or Pool. If we were the Spurs who had just lost the CL final, and had Kane and Son up front, we'd have a chance.