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Cristian Romero

DubSpur said:
Just because he won the ball doesn't stop it from being a red. He was still reckless with the follow through and endangered his opponent.
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I just don't see it as excessive or reckless, but I'll admit I'm quite old school in my thinking regarding fouls. I'm not of this "there was contact" school of thought. For something to be a foul it actually has to an actual foul for me. The player needs to be impeded or in this case, you win the ball you're allowed to contact the opponent especially if you're first and you're actually clearing the ball, physics doesn't allow a leg to just stop dead after contacting the ball. But as I said we will likely never see it the same way.

And to be 100% this is neither a Romero or a Spurs thing. I don't even think Romero is as good a defender as many harp on about and if that had been Casemiro getting sent off I'd say the exact same thing as I have any time an opposition player wrongly imo has been sent off against us or a penalty wasn't given
 
Bishop said:
He actually got their first, won the ball and his follow through caught Casemiro. He was still sent off. He got the red because the red saw it as "another Romero reckless challenge" rather than the content and context of actually what happened.
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He uses excessive force which is another thing the officials look at when assessing if a tackle deserves a card. He has a reputation for a reason.
 
Robspur12 said:
Compare and contrast Romero to Palhinha. Both are tough tacklers both are leaders but Palhinha is much more controlled and focused on just winning the ball when he tackles and does so, mostly cleanly (even then he often gets carded harshly like today). Romero is so often reckless when tackling, I think because he overcommits and that's before you consider that he is also not great at reading the game so gets caught out of position.

Personally I don't think Romero is a great defender at all. In fact I think Palhinha is better. Just think back to how brilliantly Palhinha marshalled Semenyo last week. Could Romero have done that? For me the answer unfortunately is no.
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I concur, I keep seeing Romero mentioned as a World Class defender, what defensive skill does he have that is truly World class?
 
Bishop said:
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I just don't see it as excessive or reckless, but I'll admit I'm quite old school in my thinking regarding fouls. I'm not of this "there was contact" school of thought. For something to be a foul it actually has to an actual foul for me. The player needs to be impeded or in this case, you win the ball you're allowed to contact the opponent especially if you're first and you're actually clearing the ball, physics doesn't allow a leg to just stop dead after contacting the ball. But as I said we will likely never see it the same way.

And to be 100% this is neither a Romero or a Spurs thing. I don't even think Romero is as good a defender as many harp on about and if that had been Casemiro getting sent off I'd say the exact same thing as I have any time an opposition player wrongly imo has been sent off against us or a penalty wasn't given
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That's what you want the rules to be, and how it was years ago. However, the way the rules are implemented today it is a red all day long.

And 100% agree that Romero is not a good defender.
 
demotw said:
Don’t think you can link the two, he isn’t wrong in terms of what he said.

As for the sending off, as per normal short term memories - it’s pretty much been Romero dragging us forward the last few weeks, while clearly he has faults (or he would be at Madrid tbh) he is and has been one of our best players even when everyone else has looked crap. Heck as a CB he is one of our top scorers trying to be everywhere. I’m not defending the Red (nor aiming at you Dante just happened to reply to your post) but maybe if he didn’t feel like he had to do everything he could actually focus on def.
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Look back through this thread and I’ve been one of the biggest supporters of Romero. His act was a disgrace yesterday. I don’t think he needed to go in for the challenge in the way that he did. His tackle was reckless and his red card cost us the match.

But he remains our best centre back defensively. His passion stands out and he leads us by trying to put fires out all over the pitch. But there is a point at which if he oversteps it and costs the team, you can’t say well done Romero, another top level performance. Especially not in a week within which he has seemingly been openly critical of ENIC. I share his sentiments about ENIC so it’s not the content of what he says that are the issue for me, but more that if he says it openly as captain and then a week later gets himself sent off in a key fixture then that doesn’t reflect well.

We are chaotic as a team. We have some growth over the past month or so. Romero has too much on him at times, hence him running around getting stuck in whilst also scoring key goals for us. We need the rest of the team to stand up, to battle and give their all. We need players to not need Romero running into their segments of play. We need to be led by Romero to being better and to realising Romero’s full potential too as I think he can be even better than he has been. I think he still has an extra gear and have no doubt that should he leave and join a club at a higher level then he will find that.

We are lucky to have a centre back pairing of VDV and Romero if only we were so lucky elsewhere on the pitch with the quality in our team.
 
Bishop said:
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I just don't see it as excessive or reckless, but I'll admit I'm quite old school in my thinking regarding fouls. I'm not of this "there was contact" school of thought. For something to be a foul it actually has to an actual foul for me. The player needs to be impeded or in this case, you win the ball you're allowed to contact the opponent especially if you're first and you're actually clearing the ball, physics doesn't allow a leg to just stop dead after contacting the ball. But as I said we will likely never see it the same way.

And to be 100% this is neither a Romero or a Spurs thing. I don't even think Romero is as good a defender as many harp on about and if that had been Casemiro getting sent off I'd say the exact same thing as I have any time an opposition player wrongly imo has been sent off against us or a penalty wasn't given
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I saw it your way on this one.

For me, mentioned it earlier, Romero was the one with the ball, playing the ball, Casemiro was the one actually tackling. Yes, there is a follow through, yes Romero should be aware Oliver was fudging itching to give us one, but I just don't see it as this 100% stonewall red.
 
I love the bloke, but the insistence to always go through with such force and to leave some on the player has done for him here. We can argue till the cows come home but there isn't any way we even question it as a club let alone have it overturned, thats all anyone needs to know.

He knows what he is doing with these
 
Bishop said:
He actually got their first, won the ball and his follow through caught Casemiro. He was still sent off. He got the red because the red saw it as "another Romero reckless challenge" rather than the content and context of actually what happened.
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it was also romero's full soleplate stamping on casemiro's ankle.
casemiro milked it for sure. but it didn't look good in real time and refs are supposed to call it as they see it in real time.
its the crazy part of the game that relies on very imperfect human judgement.
 
DubSpur said:
Is that due to him being more disciplined for Argentina or because South American refs are more lenient?
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I don’t watch much of Argentina, but they are one of the big boys of international football - while Spurs are not one of the big boys in the PL. That's a big difference. Plus there's no narrative about Romero the Argentine international.
 
Robbo said:
I don’t watch much of Argentina, but they are one of the big boys of international football - while Spurs are not one of the big boys in the PL. That's a big difference. Plus there's no narrative about Romero the Argentine international.
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Agreed.
For Argentina he is one the first team players. But not the most high profiled player.

For Spurs he is the captain and by far the most high profile player we have at the club. (Especially after Kane and Son left).

It's a different kind of exposure.
 
Is it my impression but - at first glance - there seems to be a reverse correlation between the pro and con posters on this thread and that on the Thomas Frank one.... would what to interpret of that???
 
his follow through wasnt a red imho, it was a natural but unfortunate action

he has been getting goals and acting captain, our forwards arent yet doing the job - we need a fit Dom and Richi, also Kudus

let's see next four games, no Danso neither
 
harr1984 said:
First and foremost he is a central defender and our captain. In such a position a minimum requirement is that he is reliable, and quite simply he is not. We have the same discussions every few games with him and his ways - why do you think that is?

You can love his passion, aggression and the fact he is good on the ball but that doesn't detract from him constantly making mistakes and costly ones.

When he first arrived a few years ago he was no different, I figured he would eradicate the mistakes he was making as he matured but the fact he is making the very same ones he was five years ago is telling....
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In the interest of discussion not argument..:

Under Ange last season his 'card' record was excellent after he got warned by staff (Ange and Raimundo). This season he has been basically carrying us in all senses and all manners. I don't believe he has been managed well, I believe he has been allowed to dictate too much of everything (I love his goals but let's face it, if we had other ways to create and score we would only need him in one box regularly - corners obviously an exception; his maverick forward moves should be tempered via coaching and having better structure and shape in our creative play). Not publicly fining him for outbursts was a poor move too.

We have a rare talent here and we are going to lose him due to poor management. He has his issues yet we have done nothing to address them. Poch did with Dele, Ange did with Romero last season. I steadfastly maintain Saturday was all about history, and further the opposition's reactions. I am aware we disagree and thus fully understand you think I have that wrong. Interested in your perspective on the rest...
 
thfcsteff said:
In the interest of discussion not argument..:

Under Ange last season his 'card' record was excellent after he got warned by staff (Ange and Raimundo). This season he has been basically carrying us in all senses and all manners. I don't believe he has been managed well, I believe he has been allowed to dictate too much of everything (I love his goals but let's face it, if we had other ways to create and score we would only need him in one box regularly - corners obviously an exception; his maverick forward moves should be tempered via coaching and having better structure and shape in our creative play). Not publicly fining him for outbursts was a poor move too.

We have a rare talent here and we are going to lose him due to poor management. He has his issues yet we have done nothing to address them. Poch did with Dele, Ange did with Romero last season. I steadfastly maintain Saturday was all about history, and further the opposition's reactions. I am aware we disagree and thus fully understand you think I have that wrong. Interested in your perspective on the rest...
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That's an interesting point regarding how he was managed last season vs this, certainly valid if true.

However for me this isn't just about yesterday's red card, whether it was right or wrong or not - he has got away with several potential red cards in addition to the ones he has justifiably received. But when I talk about mistakes I'm not just talking about when he sees the red mist, I'm talking about his actual defending. I just don't think he's that good, his aggression is often counter productive (it absolutely is a positive weapon at times) and positionally he's often found wanting.

Hes very good on the ball, but I just don't feel I know what Romero I'm getting on a weekly basis and can't hang my hat on him to put in a performance at all. I think he will be well suited to Spanish football, if we get a good fee for him I'd happily take it tbh - our recruitment of CBs seems pretty solid - Vuskovic, Danso, VDV. I know you hold him in higher regard than me, I really like his will to win but I just would rather someone a bit more reliable in various elements....
 
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