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Levy's Plan

Bishop said:
Yep you're right, we didn't finish 17th with Levy in charge yesterday.
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We finished 17th with a cup and a route back into Europe

We aren't winning a cup, we aren't getting back into Europe and I'd fudging take 17th right now if offered (we could do worse), so yes the floor is lower.
 
Bishop said:
Yep you're right, we didn't finish 17th with Levy in charge yesterday.
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Amazing isn’t it. The disassociation between our gradual decline in league position over the last 5-6 years and Levy running the ship, but of course the bad things are never his fault.

Absolutely don’t want him back in any capacity if it’s anything to do with football operations, if it’s purely financial/commercial then I wouldn’t be totally against it.
 
Raziel said:
We finished 17th with a cup and a route back into Europe

We aren't winning a cup, we aren't getting back into Europe and I'd fudging take 17th right now if offered (we could do worse), so yes the floor is lower.
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Again, you were calling for Ange to be sacked at a similar time last season. You didn't think we'd get back into Europe (hence your calls for Ange to go).

Let's not make out things are much different this year
 
Jurgen the German said:
Amazing isn’t it. The disassociation between our gradual decline in league position over the last 5-6 years and Levy running the ship, but of course the bad things are never his fault.

Absolutely don’t want him back in any capacity if it’s anything to do with football operations, if it’s purely financial/commercial then I wouldn’t be totally against it.
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The problem with this club is it has only acted as if it's really been built to excel in financial/commercial operations...
 
glorygloryeze said:
Again, you were calling for Ange to be sacked at a similar time last season. You didn't think we'd get back into Europe (hence your calls for Ange to go).

Let's not make out things are much different this year
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And I said somewhere else today, Ange should have been gone earlier (and yes, I did call for it), the difference is

- With Ange there was a gamble to make, we could win Europa, the bookies actually had us joint favorites and bottom 3 sides in PL were absolute trash, so there was a reward to play for and less risk. Someone made a call I didn't agree with, and it paid off.
- With Frank, there is nothing left to play for, we are not going to win the CL, and only the bottom 2 sides this year are trash. So no upside and more risk, no reason to stick.

It's not the same equation
 
Raziel said:
And I said somewhere else today, Ange should have been gone earlier (and yes, I did call for it), the difference is

- With Ange there was a gamble to make, we could win Europa, the bookies actually had us joint favorites and bottom 3 sides in PL were absolute trash, so there was a reward to play for and less risk. Someone made a call I didn't agree with, and it paid off.
- With Frank, there is nothing left to play for, we are not going to win the CL, and only the bottom 2 sides this year are trash. So no upside and more risk, no reason to stick.

It's not the same equation
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Well, as you'll see we are in agreement on many of these recent issues EXCEPT this one, which i don't think we'll ever agree on so i'll let that be...
 
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If things really are the same (personally going to wait and see what the summer window brings before coming to any definitive conclusions) and then it would just confirm what seems obvious - It wasn't Levy as an individual that was holding us back from investing more heavily in the squad, and that the owners were happy to just use him for his commercial acumen to grow the club and at the same time kindly allowing him to be the figurehead for everything that was perceived to be negative.

The owners were here when Levy was and were pretty consistent in their risk appetite towards player investment. The owners are still here now Levy has departed and have the opportunity to show their apparent ambition and that Levy was holding them back somewhat. If nothing changes then it seems pretty clear Levy whilst not being perfect, was not the real problem....
 
Raziel said:
We finished 17th with a cup and a route back into Europe

We aren't winning a cup, we aren't getting back into Europe and I'd fudging take 17th right now if offered (we could do worse), so yes the floor is lower.
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So let me understand. It's your contention that Levy himself is the one who coached the team to the Europa League win?

We finished 17th under his watch, under his guidance under his foundations. We might finish 17th or worse again this season. What has changed exactly? We are in a much harder European competition this year so what's your point exactly?
 
harr1984 said:
If things really are the same (personally going to wait and see what the summer window brings before coming to any definitive conclusions) and then it would just confirm what seems obvious - It wasn't Levy as an individual that was holding us back from investing more heavily in the squad, and that the owners were happy to just use him for his commercial acumen to grow the club and at the same time kindly allowing him to be the figurehead for everything that was perceived to be negative.

The owners were here when Levy was and were pretty consistent in their risk appetite towards player investment. The owners are still here now Levy has departed and have the opportunity to show their apparent ambition and that Levy was holding them back somewhat. If nothing changes then it seems pretty clear Levy whilst not being perfect, was not the real problem....
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Levy and ENIC are one and the same. There's no need to try to create a saviour diabetic with Levy. He was perfectly happy operating the way we did for years.

Besides my complaints with him have never really been about how much we spent but on the poor timing of those spends, the frankly cowardly approach to the window and the inability to create a cohesive football identity that didn't lurch from one footballing philosophy to a near opposite approach a couple of years later. All of that compounded year on year is why we are where we are today. Add to that the awful scouting or lack of trust in our scouting department and I see no reason anyone would want that man back to run our football department. He was bloody awful at it.
 
Bishop said:
Levy and ENIC are one and the same. There's no need to try to create a saviour diabetic with Levy. He was perfectly happy operating the way we did for years.

Besides my complaints with him have never really been about how much we spent but on the poor timing of those spends, the frankly cowardly approach to the window and the inability to create a cohesive football identity that didn't lurch from one footballing philosophy to a near opposite approach a couple of years later. All of that compounded year on year is why we are where we are today. Add to that the awful scouting or lack of trust in our scouting department and I see no reason anyone would want that man back to run our football department. He was bloody awful at it.
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Because to some being strong financially is more important than success on the pitch.
 
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