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Artificial intelligence

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That isn't AI though?
My 2017 S-Class has a drowsiness detector that does the same thing (scans your eyes to see if they are open and sometimes signals the alarm if my eyes are very narrow) and IIRC the S-Class before had it too. They just call every system AI now.
 
Out of interest, has anyone else downloaded Grok and had a play around with it?

It actually sickens me a little that an app that I've been creating funny vids with is being used in such a sick way by other people. I'll give a simple example of how I used it. I drew a with a marker pen a picture of a friend on my white wall at home when we were together. I then Grok'ed a phot of the wall it and put a funny message into the app. Grok then brought my scribbled face to life like a cartoon and in a dodgy American accent said the words I'd typed. We both found it genuinely funny.

There's always been these silly apps that put moustaches on photo's or do things like merge 2 faces into one. For me, it was just the new version of this. Then I see a national debate happening about deepfakes including nudity, pedophilia etc. I then read stories that Elon Musk's lot answer to their app enabling this horrible content is to just put that part behind a monthly subscription. I don't understand AI as well as others but I can probably see how it is just become a free-for-all and is not being properly regulated. That's always been the way with new tech.

I've obviously deleted the app now once I saw the bigger picture of what Musk's lot is up to.

Just wondered whether anyone else has any experience of Grok?
 
Muttley said:
Out of interest, has anyone else downloaded Grok and had a play around with it?

It actually sickens me a little that an app that I've been creating funny vids with is being used in such a sick way by other people. I'll give a simple example of how I used it. I drew a with a marker pen a picture of a friend on my white wall at home when we were together. I then Grok'ed a phot of the wall it and put a funny message into the app. Grok then brought my scribbled face to life like a cartoon and in a dodgy American accent said the words I'd typed. We both found it genuinely funny.

There's always been these silly apps that put moustaches on photo's or do things like merge 2 faces into one. For me, it was just the new version of this. Then I see a national debate happening about deepfakes including nudity, pedophilia etc. I then read stories that Elon Musk's lot answer to their app enabling this horrible content is to just put that part behind a monthly subscription. I don't understand AI as well as others but I can probably see how it is just become a free-for-all and is not being properly regulated. That's always been the way with new tech.

I've obviously deleted the app now once I saw the bigger picture of what Musk's lot is up to.

Just wondered whether anyone else has any experience of Grok?
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It's a tool that needs to be regulated properly and the providers need better controls.

You don't stop using knives because someone got stabbed though. In itself it is not evil and wasn't created with evil intent.
 
Lilbaz said:
It's a tool that needs to be regulated properly and the providers need better controls.

You don't stop using knives because someone got stabbed though. In itself it is not evil and wasn't created with evil intent.
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You're right, regulation is key but this sort of tool can do far greater damage than a single knife can. Yes, including death. Guaranteed to be suicides that come out of it.

Knives also have a higher purpose. Grok seemingly doesn't. We got by this far without it.
 
I spent 5 mins messing around on an AI song generator tonight. Produced 2 full tracks, including vocals indistinguishable from real vocals, and the songs were actually pretty decent in quality and imagination. It plagiarised the fudge out of who knows how many songs to do this, used copious amounts of energy and while impressive, I hated every second of it. fudge AI and horse it rode in on.
 
Lilbaz said:
It's a tool that needs to be regulated properly and the providers need better controls.

You don't stop using knives because someone got stabbed though. In itself it is not evil and wasn't created with evil intent.
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I don't fully agree here. The moment Zuchenberg was dragged to the senate a few years ago the world should have changed. It shouldn't be on regulators to keep tech companies in a moral place. It should be down to the tech companies themselves to crave for the moral high ground knowing that FAANG had something like 80% of the worlds personal data through their platforms.. They should be building and driving the regulations as their place in society. You can perhaps guess the world I came from.

This was from a BBC article. "Responding to a post asking why other platforms were not being investigated, Musk said the UK government wanted "any excuse for censorship".

So a CEO of one of the world's biggest tech companies finds out his own platform is sexualising images of children and makes that statement and we are supposed to think that is OK.

You should perhaps give me the knife and put me in a room with Musk. I'll regulate him.
 
I actually think there’s a lot of hype around AI. For example, I just don’t see Agentive AI happening for a while yet. That is AI replacing agents on the phone. For the most basic things AI may replace human agents in a few years but communication breaks down with any complexity.

Where AI is so powerful is in research. And in writing. But a bit like the song example, you won’t get great literature from LLMs. They are just a tool for humans to accelerate their own writing.

But getting computers to learn and address scientific research is viable. See the work Deep Mind did on proteins. These areas are where AI is powerful.
 
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SpurMeUp said:
I actually there’s a lot of hype around AI. For example, I just done see Agentive AI happening for a while yet. That is AI replacing agents on the phone. For the most basic things AI may replace human agents in a few years but communication breaks down with any complexity.

Where AI is so powerful is in research. And in writing. But a bit like the song example, you won’t get great literature from LLMs. They are just a tool for humans to accelerate their own writing.

But getting computers to learn and address scientific research is viable. See the work Deep Mind did on proteins. These areas are where AI is powerful.
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Exactly this. Some of the use cases can make a real positive difference to the world. It's how the world manages the other pieces where these tech giants are not being responsible is the worry.
 
K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
We live in a world where you have to work to exist but are prepared to reduce the number of opportunities to work for the population by using AI. I agree it can be a great tool but like most technology it will be misused and harm society.
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You just wonder with the advancements in tech being so quick and the average persons brain being so thick, if we are ready for it. Having a tool and millions of grown men thinking "I know what I will do, I will use it to have it undress the women I want to disgrace and tear down on social media"

What a race we are as humans
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
You just wonder with the advancements in tech being so quick and the average persons brain being so thick, if we are ready for it. Having a tool and millions of grown men thinking "I know what I will do, I will use it to have it undress the women I want to disgrace and tear down on social media"

What a race we are as humans
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It's interesting to see what humans did with a great piece of technology like VAR that was implemented in a very controlled way and in a fairly long implementation cycle. As we've all noticed, it's not the tech that is the problem. If you overlay AI into this football tech concept, I think the fun has barely just begun.

What concerns most though is we live in a world where the most senior people are the ones that knowing what they say is morally wrong (e.g. Musk) but say it or build it anyway and pretend it's right. It's a world where a Putin and Trump can be seen as normal and even evangelistic even though they are absolute scum morally. I don't think the previous generation of Bill Gates, Steve Jobs etc had this about them as much as the current lot. They were all about innovation for the betterment of the world.
 
Muttley said:
It's interesting to see what humans did with a great piece of technology like VAR that was implemented in a very controlled way and in a fairly long implementation cycle. As we've all noticed, it's not the tech that is the problem. If you overlay AI into this football tech concept, I think the fun has barely just begun.

What concerns most though is we live in a world where the most senior people are the ones that knowing what they say is morally wrong (e.g. Musk) but say it or build it anyway and pretend it's right. It's a world where a Putin and Trump can be seen as normal and even evangelistic even though they are absolute scum morally. I don't think the previous generation of Bill Gates, Steve Jobs etc had this about them as much as the current lot. They were all about innovation for the betterment of the world.
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Because IMO, we have created a world where we are rewarding the numbers game and social media has adapted and positioned itself to contribute to that.

In the old days marketing used to be a call to action, you were rewarded as an ambassador of a brand because your message reached people and that was quantifiable. Now its a pure numbers game, brands are paying idiots who use their platforms to terrorise people because the engagement is incredible numbers. Thats before the platforms give money for it regardless of the content.

If you look at it in football terms, thats why 99.9% of content now is not old players giving opinions or analysis of games, its because they know if they get Rory Jennings on a Sky programme to say that he thinks Frank Sinclair is the best PL CB of all time then their engagement with idiots will spike through the roof.

Add to it this whole idea that wanting accuracy is against free speech, its become a race to the bottom all this stuff, it all goes hand in hand
 
Muttley said:
It's interesting to see what humans did with a great piece of technology like VAR that was implemented in a very controlled way and in a fairly long implementation cycle. As we've all noticed, it's not the tech that is the problem. If you overlay AI into this football tech concept, I think the fun has barely just begun.

What concerns most though is we live in a world where the most senior people are the ones that knowing what they say is morally wrong (e.g. Musk) but say it or build it anyway and pretend it's right. It's a world where a Putin and Trump can be seen as normal and even evangelistic even though they are absolute scum morally. I don't think the previous generation of Bill Gates, Steve Jobs etc had this about them as much as the current lot. They were all about innovation for the betterment of the world.
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I like to think most inventors and scientists are working for the benefit of humanity or the planet.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Because IMO, we have created a world where we are rewarding the numbers game and social media has adapted and positioned itself to contribute to that.

In the old days marketing used to be a call to action, you were rewarded as an ambassador of a brand because your message reached people and that was quantifiable. Now its a pure numbers game, brands are paying idiots who use their platforms to terrorise people because the engagement is incredible numbers. Thats before the platforms give money for it regardless of the content.

If you look at it in football terms, thats why 99.9% of content now is not old players giving opinions or analysis of games, its because they know if they get Rory Jennings on a Sky programme to say that he thinks Frank Sinclair is the best PL CB of all time then their engagement with idiots will spike through the roof.

Add to it this whole idea that wanting accuracy is against free speech, its become a race to the bottom all this stuff, it all goes hand in hand
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Yep, google search is the best example. It's not objective at all. It's all about who pays the most bucks to make sure their product comes out on top for that user. Google has every piece of data on that user so if you want to pay to make sure that 23 year old girl in Town X gets your product at the top of your google list, then you stand a good chance of making it happening. So there is nothing really "organic" about this anymore. Same as Spotify. They're trying to pretend to us that they build music that we want to listen to based on our personal preferences even though it is being manipulated in the background. Same as Youtube, Facebook and all the other platforms.

It's definitely a race to the bottom as you say.
 
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