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Transfer thread

Theres been a huge revisionism in standards downwards from the Poch era mate. I see people on here rate players and say we have a top 4 level squad and i'm sat there laughing at it. Spence wouldn't even have got near the squad under Poch. I like him, he's a good player, but the last coach to have us up there challenging (Conte) didn't rate him whatsoever.
Bang on. None of this squad would dislodge any of that 16/17 team.
Only maybe 3 of the current squad would get near any top 6 squads at the moment.
Its an average squad with everyone available. At the moment we are dogpoo.
 
Theres been a huge revisionism in standards downwards from the Poch era mate. I see people on here rate players and say we have a top 4 level squad and i'm sat there laughing at it. Spence wouldn't even have got near the squad under Poch. I like him, he's a good player, but the last coach to have us up there challenging (Conte) didn't rate him whatsoever.
I haven’t seen a single post saying we have a top 4 squad, though no doubt I’ve not read every comment. Just that I’d have thought if this was a commonly held opinion by even just a few posters on here I’d have seen it?

I have seen loads of posters say we should be playing better though with the squad we’ve got but that’s clearly a very different thing than you’ve highlighted.
 
I haven’t seen a single post saying we have a top 4 squad, though no doubt I’ve not read every comment. Just that I’d have thought if this was a commonly held opinion by even just a few posters on here I’d have seen it?

I have seen loads of posters say we should be playing better though with the squad we’ve got but that’s clearly a very different thing than you’ve highlighted.
Its more stuff I've seen such as "i'm happy with our CB options".....only if you're happy with scraping 5th being the ceiling of our ambitions. "Spence has done really well".....yeah he has, but he's not good enough.
 
The rumour that really sinks my heart is the fact that we are constantly being linked to Connor Gallagher. One thing we really do not need is another central midfielder who rounds around but lacks creativity and cannot pass the ball for toffee. Imagine Frank starting with a midfield three of Gallagher, Bentancur and Palhinha :fearful::worried:
That would be Frank’s dream midfield I think….
 
I haven’t seen a single post saying we have a top 4 squad, though no doubt I’ve not read every comment. Just that I’d have thought if this was a commonly held opinion by even just a few posters on here I’d have seen it?

I have seen loads of posters say we should be playing better though with the squad we’ve got but that’s clearly a very different thing than you’ve highlighted.

Exactly, every defense of Frank starts with, this squad isn't the 16/17 team, nobody ever fudging said it was.

The question isn't "is this the best squad Spurs has ever had", the question is "is this squad better than 12th-17th" and the answer is yes.
 
Exactly, every defense of Frank starts with, this squad isn't the 16/17 team, nobody ever fudging said it was.

The question isn't "is this the best squad Spurs has ever had", the question is "is this squad better than 12th-17th" and the answer is yes.

We probably want to see where this side finishes the season if league position is the marker being used
 
We probably want to see where this side finishes the season if league position is the marker being used

Why? (serious question), you have had half a season that not only hasn't been good enough, the performances are brick, there is no indicators of us getting better, outside of "need more time" or "who would we replace him with" what is a reasonable take that says we are going to be 50% better moving forward?
 
Why? (serious question), you have had half a season that not only hasn't been good enough, the performances are brick, there is no indicators of us getting better, outside of "need more time" or "who would we replace him with" what is a reasonable take that says we are going to be 50% better moving forward?

Because the league isn't finished yet and as such our league position is not final - a win on Sunday (yeah right) could have us 4 or 5 points off of the CL spots (it already is actually if you factor in 5th getting you entry) does that mean all of a sudden we're doing much better?
 
Because the league isn't finished yet and as such our league position is not final - a win on Sunday (yeah right) could have us 4 or 5 points off of the CL spots (it already is actually if you factor in 5th getting you entry) does that mean all of a sudden we're doing much better?
I'd add that setting targets that are perceived as unrealistic and sacking managers before they had a chance to settle properly doesn't reflect very well on the club as a whole.

Sacking Postecoglou after he won a trophy raised some questions, but the league position probably justified the decision (or at least gave some context).

However, it wasn't so long ago that after sacking Pochettino, Mourinho, Espirito Santo and Conte in a row, most managers wouldn't touch the Spurs job with a barge pole. It's a relatively small community and it's easy to get a reputation. Atlético Madrid under Gil y Gil presidency (in the 90s) was a prime example of that. Sooner or later, you will run out of candidates.

The football on display is very poor at the moment and, personally, I think it will only get marginally better but sometimes, being patient pays off in the long run. Plus, it's not like we risk losing an outstanding player: Romero is probably the best we have, and he's not as important as Sheringham or Anderton were in the 90s.
 
I'd add that setting targets that are perceived as unrealistic and sacking managers before they had a chance to settle properly doesn't reflect very well on the club as a whole.

Sacking Postecoglou after he won a trophy raised some questions, but the league position probably justified the decision (or at least gave some context).

However, it wasn't so long ago that after sacking Pochettino, Mourinho, Espirito Santo and Conte in a row, most managers wouldn't touch the Spurs job with a barge pole. It's a relatively small community and it's easy to get a reputation. Atlético Madrid under Gil y Gil presidency (in the 90s) was a prime example of that. Sooner or later, you will run out of candidates.

The football on display is very poor at the moment and, personally, I think it will only get marginally better but sometimes, being patient pays off in the long run. Plus, it's not like we risk losing an outstanding player: Romero is probably the best we have, and he's not as important as Sheringham or Anderton were in the 90s.

Very well put. I think people majorly underestimate the long-term damage that has been done to our reputation for hiring managers and then not going the whole hog and backing them in a way that they'd expect. We probably have to give Frank the season for that reason alone and then we can look like a club that at least lets a manager hang himself on his own rope before we jettison them (it's maybe going to be VERY painful, but we've brought this on ourselves tbh)
 
Its more stuff I've seen such as "i'm happy with our CB options".....only if you're happy with scraping 5th being the ceiling of our ambitions. "Spence has done really well".....yeah he has, but he's not good enough.
I don’t think that’s what people mean when they say that. It’s guaranteed everyone wants us to have a title winning squad. And also guaranteed that we don’t have a title winning squad.

When people say they are “happy with...“, it’s basically a priority call on what we need next. For me that’s LW, ball playing CM, deep lying playmaker (we simply have to get control of playing through the midfield). Next is striker, then LB, then keeper. Keeper could potentially be higher though
 
If I'm Frank, I'm seeing a very strong core in my squad.

Porro, Spence, Romero, VDV, Danso, Vuskovic, Udogie, Gray, Bergval, Sarr, Madds, Xavi, Kulu, Kudus, Solanke

It's hard to tell what he thinks of the keeper situation but my guess is that he'll want better having worked with Raya at Brentford. Perhaps the same with the forward role. He'll also be casting his eye over some younger players like Abbott, Odobert, Tel, Moore, Yang etc and seeing which ones will cut through into main 1st team players in the future.

We have so much depth that we should only be targeting elite first teamers in most positions in the transfer market. The exception could be LB and I can see why we might be after a 19 year old Brazilian to add more long term quality. Mostly though, we need to be buying players like Adam Wharton. Long term answers to current problems we have.
 
What's the point if we'll just keep moving the ball sideways and wide? Its like saying Ange just needed a DM, when clearly he never intended to use one

It's hard to explain. Easiest to relate it to a striker that never gets crosses so stops getting into the box. I think you stick a midfielder in there whose first instinct is to play neat, crisp forward passes then you'll see a reaction from the guys ahead. Kudus, Kulu, Xavi etc are made for that style of play. Then stick Solanke in the team who can actually receive the ball and hold it up, then I think we would all be seeing the world differently. Bents and Pal are not the answer as the double pivot.

Also look at how and when the Brentford full-backs made their runs into the opposition half. It was all in synch with the midfield interactions.
 
It's hard to explain. Easiest to relate it to a striker that never gets crosses so stops getting into the box. I think you stick a midfielder in there whose first instinct is to play neat, crisp forward passes then you'll see a reaction from the guys ahead. Kudus, Kulu, Xavi etc are made for that style of play. Then stick Solanke in the team who can actually receive the ball and hold it up, then I think we would all be seeing the world differently. Bents and Pal are not the answer as the double pivot.

Also look at how and when the Brentford full-backs made their runs into the opposition half. It was all in synch with the midfield interactions.
Gray, Biss, Bentancur can all do that. They are clearly being instructed not to though
 
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