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Thomas Frank - Head Coach
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clownfoot
Neil Ruddock
Understandably with the injury list currently we can’t expect free flowing football, and to an extent I’m doubtful we can expect it at all for the remainder of this season. Perhaps that’s apathy creeping in a bit on my part. The style we are playing is a lot more palatable if we are winning. I think TF is still used to approaching games as the underdog which is easier to take if we’re playing Emirates Marketing Project, but time wasting against Brentford not long into the 2nd half isn’t going to convince people of him being the right fit for the long term.
I don’t think he’s in any danger of losing his job this season, but we have no idea how the Lewis’ will view his tenure so far. Without making this a Levy discussion, I do think when he was in charge he wanted the manager to uphold some sort of Tottenham style and tradition of attacking football. There are obvious appointments he made that prove that wasn’t always the case, but I think it’s fair to say overall he wanted to keep to a style in line with the club’s identity. As of now, there’s no way of knowing how the people in charge will value that club identity.
That said if we lose to Sunderland on Sunday and the stadium is booing, who knows how the board will react.
I don’t think he’s in any danger of losing his job this season, but we have no idea how the Lewis’ will view his tenure so far. Without making this a Levy discussion, I do think when he was in charge he wanted the manager to uphold some sort of Tottenham style and tradition of attacking football. There are obvious appointments he made that prove that wasn’t always the case, but I think it’s fair to say overall he wanted to keep to a style in line with the club’s identity. As of now, there’s no way of knowing how the people in charge will value that club identity.
That said if we lose to Sunderland on Sunday and the stadium is booing, who knows how the board will react.
MartyFunkhouser
Willie Hall
Bournemouth aswell.
You lose the away fans, you lose the club unfortunately.
Another manager likely to be gone cool
Some club this
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
metalgear
Chris Jones
i don't disagree about TF not being proactive fluid
i meant that TF knows how to build a fluid counter attacking team
he needs the right players and kudus is the only one that fits the bill right now.
- odobert, tel, muani - too young and inexperienced
- richy - no dependable for hold up and support play and doesn't know how to lose his marker
- simons - getting better but still below expectations
- paulinha - can break up but can't support attack
hopefully owners and management would have seen enough to get reinforcements
a tricky subject with solanke, kulu and maddison out and returning - do we buy experienced and see their values go down? or risk points by waiting for them.
tommysvr
Steve Carr
A huge part of Frank's appointment was the idea that he could improve players. Have we just given up on that and decided to transfer our way out?
metalgear
Chris Jones
no, we must hold TF accountable for improving players. however, also its necessary for transfers to have a minimum level of quality so that he has the time and space to improve players
parj
Paul Konchesky
We definitely need players to increase the quality of the squad. Hopefully, the returning players can give us a boost
MartyFunkhouser
Willie Hall
No I expect him to do thay over a period longer than 4 months.
But we need upgrades on Bentancur, Richy/Solanke and a LW winger who isn't a kid.
Thay still gives scope to improve Odobert as an understudy, Gray (who looks sharper) and Bergvall.
Some elders are clearly beyond saving so I would replace and concentrate on improving the youth
DeanoAustin
Cecil Poynton
Jesus, that's harsh. It was a hard watch and these people have given up New Year's evening and their money to watch that brick. But still...
Frank must surely realise that he's walked into a bit of a basket case of a club where expectations outweigh resources and the "family" feel he instilled at Brentford won't cut it here without being underpinned by successful and good football.
Finney Is Back
Barry Daines
From what I could tell at the game last night, the only saving grace is that the flak from the fans is directed at the manager and not the players. I think the fans can see that it is the tactics that are so frustratingly negative. If (I know it is a MASSIVE if) Frank stops the safety first, low block, don't pass through the centre, horseshoe ball then I think the fans would get behind him. If the club jettison Frank and bring in someone who is less negative then I think the fans would be behind them and the team as well.
ricky2tricky4city
Chris Jones
The away fans were great at Selhurst. But maybe that was because we were leading/winning.
Think it shows the 'style' thing runs deep though with us. As booing a draw is slightly ridiculous (in context), especially against a team that have given away little to visitors this season.
So. We deserve what WE want not what Frank wants? So, quelle surprise, a divide.
glorygloryeze
Dimitar Berbatov
I didn't watch the Palace match on Sunday but watched yesterday's Brentford match.
Apart from scoreline, how would you compare the two matches in terms of how THFC played?
Finney Is Back
Barry Daines
From what I could tell the fans were not booing the result. They were booing negativity of the performance. Vicario was booked for time wasting at 0-0 in the 60th minute. The great Bill Nicholson will be turning in his grave.
Muttley
Jonathan Woodgate
I have no problem with Vic getting booked for continuous time wasting because whenever he did that was when Bees were in the ascendency. When we had momentum he was rotating the ball back into play quickly. I actually call it good leadership by Vic to take the booking and help his team mates get some composure back.
It just all feels a little entitled to be having a knock at Vic when he was there to do a job. It's certainly not his fault the outfield players couldn't gain control.
tommysvr
Steve Carr
I agree that 4 months isn't enough, but we have to expect more than this surely? Even our worst managers were at least good in the beginning.
MartyFunkhouser
Willie Hall
I expect more, but its not much more mate and I am not over egging that. And yeh look others have had good starts but then declined because of variations of the same reasons.
As I keep saying, fine to get rid of Frank, but the basis of all managers decline and struggles at Spurs remain the same and unless that changes its going to the be narrative of the next couple also
tommysvr
Steve Carr
I've been arguing that point for about 18 months. Frank was a pointless appointment, but this is what the majority of the fanbase and the board wanted, no? Ange's last 18 months were all about a plan B and being more pragmatic. We got what we wished for. And like I've said all along, we'll sack Frank and bounce back in the other direction yet again. An attacking manager that we won't fully commit to, sack him and get a pragmatist again.
MartyFunkhouser
Willie Hall
I really don't wanna go down Frank v Ange stuff and this forums full of it to the n'th degree
But I will agree on the fact that managers of this club are fodder, fodder for the greater issues.
If anyone thinks panic loaning Tel, then panic buying him to replace Son, whilst doubling down on Odobert helps any manager for quality needed to compete in this league, then you have been on the cool aid. If didn't help Ange and it doesn't help Frank. Neither does lack of planning round a striker and us panicking to bring in Muani on deadline day. Nor does adding Takai IMO, nor does giving Bentancur a new contract and loaning in Palhinha.
The clubs a cluster fcuk at the minute in general, thats not excusing the style, but my GHod how people think this club is destined for greatness in its current set ups and decision making, good grief. We are excepting our bent DOF to leave who was bizarrely bought back from a ban and given a joint role in the club only a couple of months ago...............................Its honestly laughable