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Thomas Frank - Head Coach

I am always perplexed by these statements... you may fluke it in a cup (as we did last year) or maybe for a few weeks but in a full league, it is invariably the case that quality of play = results. That's why the league is the best barometer.

So I cannot understand how people say that they don't mind losing as long as the team is playing exciting football. Unless they mean throwing everything into attack and leaving the whole back line exposed. Wait a minute.... didn't we try that last season? And we saw where it got us....

Maybe it's the Blanchflower legacy but what he actually said was: it's about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the lot...

You are absolutely misquoting me and taking me out of context.
Where did I say I 'do not mind losing...'?
What I said was that I am not led/dominated by results IF there is a direction. Of COURSE if losses keep happening despite an attractive style then it becomes untenable.
I don't care if people disagree, I don't understand why it is so hard to at least understand the difference?
Remember Poch's first season? I had ample amounts of patience during his bricky start because he made it clear where he wanted to bring us.
 
You are absolutely misquoting me and taking me out of context.
Where did I say I 'do not mind losing...'?
What I said was that I am not led/dominated by results IF there is a direction. Of COURSE if losses keep happening despite an attractive style then it becomes untenable.
I don't care if people disagree, I don't understand why it is so hard to at least understand the difference?
Remember Poch's first season? I had ample amounts of patience during his bricky start because he made it clear where he wanted to bring us.
I have a somewhat unique view on this Tottenham thing, not because I’m special in any way but more so because I’ve had a fairly critical view of the overall systems in place, specifically recruitment and the managerial appointments we have made over the years.

I’ve felt we were an ever-increasing shambles, marked with small fissures that season after season were growing wider and wider, covered over with the slimmest of plasters named Harry Kane and Son Heung-min.

I’ve not really been impressed with the quality of the players we’ve brought in either, in terms of raw attributes and specifically technique. I say all of that to say that we have been slowly building to this point, where a manager arrives and I just don’t really see a squad that is capable of playing “good football” but then also actually achieving anything.

Now for me, “good football” isn’t just pretty short passes. It’s control of a game — not in terms of pure possession (although that is my preference) — but in territorial gain and momentum control. It’s the regularity and quality of the attacking play. It’s the positioning of the players, but it also includes defensive work. I know of no great team that actually achieved great things that was not also great defensively in whatever manner they were set up. So good football to me is a balance, and football is always about balance: between the left and the right, between attack and defence, between a high or low block, a high press or man-to-man, defenders making timely interceptions, winning their duels, ushering the play. Midfielders controlling the game (I am absolutely biased towards this play style), both offensively and defensively.

That’s “good football” to me, and I look at this squad and I just don’t see a group capable of doing this. I’m personally not interested in heroically but naively going out to play with the intention of just “going for it”. For me, football is a very simple game on the surface that is full of skilled subtlety and nuance, and it’s in those margins that a great team is created, where a great team wins, and where “good football” exists. To be honest, I don’t even want “good football” — I want GREAT football — but I’m also realistic, and I believe this squad as it stands just isn’t capable of doing this.

So how do we achieve what we want? I believe it’s an incremental process. Something that, as clichéd as it sounds, will take time. It’s a process, yes, of style imbuement, but it’s really a process of recruitment. We are going to need to find players with certain key attributes and build from there, whoever the manager is. This is a process this club just needs to commit to.

I do think Frank could be doing better. There are lots of decisions I disagree with. The lack of a regular LW jars me. I get that he doesn’t truly rate any of them (me neither), but you still need to go with someone to get that balance, and sticking with an individual could at least create the façade of balance.

So the shape could be more aggressive, we could be more aggressive, but in the areas that will really make a difference — the passing quality, the vision, the first touch, etc. — I just don’t think they are there, and no amount of coaching is really going to fix that, in my opinion.
 
If any of our past coaches managed to obtain the same proportional improvement as Frank did with Brentford over the same period, we would probably be title challengers by now...
What are these improvements you refer to?
After getting promoted their league places have been indifferent to say something
I’d be interested to know what you mean

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What does that mean mate?
I am not chained to raw win/loss results.
I am chained to a style of play that I want to see us aim for.
If Frank can deliver that, fantastic.
As of now, I am not seeing evidence he wants to produce that style of play.
That's it.
If that is a delusion of grandeur my friend, then yes, I suppose I am guilty...but I love this club not because it's the 'winningest' club in football, but because it was always one of the most beautiful, one which has historically produced artists, geniuses, the odd cult-hero comedian, and entertainment, with some genuine glory along the way. Cue Danny's quote...;)🩵🩵🩵

What was wrong with our ‘style of play’ yesterday? If it wasn’t the result.
 
What was wrong with our ‘style of play’ yesterday? If it wasn’t the result.

Well for one thing, when we had a full team our method of attack appeared to be to pass the ball to Romero, to try to coax Liverpool forward so that we could play a pass in between the lines. We had no change in tempo, no players to create, few players that can take the ball and run at the opponent. We seem to be devoid of ideas. It’s like we were set up to try to contain Liverpool without any idea of exactly what it was that we were supposed to do when we had the ball.

In terms of spoiling, we did ok. But in terms of taking the game to Liverpool we hugely failed.
 
Well for one thing, when we had a full team our method of attack appeared to be to pass the ball to Romero, to try to coax Liverpool forward so that we could play a pass in between the lines. We had no change in tempo, no players to create, few players that can take the ball and run at the opponent. We seem to be devoid of ideas. It’s like we were set up to try to contain Liverpool without any idea of exactly what it was that we were supposed to do when we had the ball.

In terms of spoiling, we did ok. But in terms of taking the game to Liverpool we hugely failed.

With respect: nonsense.

We lack familiarity and confidence in attack. We’re shy in attack. That’s not new.

We lost Son, Kulu, Maddison and have Simons and Muani finding their groove. We were a bit more cautious trying to pass on the break, and I am okay with that. It was better than handing the ball back to the opposition every time.
 
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I didn’t see one
Give me an example of a ‘style of play’ you’re looking for.

You said we had one
Where? I think this angle of criticism is a nonsense. If Muani’s shot had gone in and their second been ruled out, you would be happy with our ‘style of play’ 😂

I’d like to know what you thought it was to be honest
It’s like catchphrase mate … say what you see

Well it’s your criticism. So up to you to outline what is you want from a style of play surely.
 
With respect: nonsense.

We lack familiarity and confidence in attack. We’re shy in attack. That’s not new.

We lost Son, Kulu, Maddison and have Simons and Muani finding their groove. We were a bit more cautious trying to pass on the break, and I am okay with that. It was better than handing the ball back to the opposition every time.
If we are constantly cautious we won't create anything outside set pieces. We had 5 or 6 good breaks ruined by turning back. If only one of the through balls is successful and leads to a goal and the ball is lost the rest of the time it's still a good return.
 
If we are constantly cautious we won't create anything outside set pieces. We had 5 or 6 good breaks ruined by turning back. If only one of the through balls is successful and leads to a goal and the ball is lost the rest of the time it's still a good return.
The way Kudus played was very very odd
Says a lot that Johnson came on and looked more threatening but then he tried to go forward
Have to wonder why Kudus checked every run he made to see if he could go backwards first
 
If we are constantly cautious we won't create anything outside set pieces. We had 5 or 6 good breaks ruined by turning back. If only one of the through balls is successful and leads to a goal and the ball is lost the rest of the time it's still a good return.

I posted the same in the match thread. We missed easy balls out on the break and sometimes were overly cautious. Simons just passed the ball directly out of play on the break (and was so frustrated he lunged in on van dyke right after). But none of that is ‘style of play’ that’s just a team low on confidence and familiarity.
 
Style of play = I’m not totally impatient as a fan, and as shallow as just focusing on results. Truth be told we all are.
It's really not. Why do you ignore what people actually say? You can find a constant message on here of results aren't as important at this stage, people just want to see football they can get behind and eventually the results would come. It's a shame that you can't seem to accept this, but some people want more than unimaginative, safety first football - especially when we are shipping 2 plus goals a game.

Match after match people have been criticising the performance and setup, not whinging about how yet again we have lost - not that constantly losing makes it any better. Against Liverpool until the red card, it wasn't looking so bad but let's be honest that's because of the rubbish football we have been watching for the vast majority of the season.

There doesn't have to be a set style, apparently Frank has great tactical versatility but what we should be able to expect is a bit of attacking variety and adventure instead of the constant safety first stuff that has been served up on a weekly basis.

At least he started with Xavi, Gray and Bergvall - I enjoyed that he was prepared to do that and who knows how it would have played out had we had eleven men. Let's see how Frank has us going at the end of the season, but I do find it ridiculous how week on week you try and argue against people who want/expect to see better football. We have been poor overall, Yan's whilst it doesn't all lay at Franks door you can't dress it up any other way.....
 
I posted the same in the match thread. We missed easy balls out on the break and sometimes were overly cautious. Simons just passed the ball directly out of play on the break (and was so frustrated he lunged in on van dyke right after). But none of that is ‘style of play’ that’s just a team low on confidence and familiarity.
Constantly turning back and playing cautious is a style of play. Keeping possession at all costs rather than play the riskier high reward pass is nothing to do with familiarity. If Frank gave the instructions to play those type of balls and was constantly encouraging it even when we lost the ball the players would play them.
 
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