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*** Tottenham Hotspur Vs Forest *** OMT

Rafa87 said:
The ‘mightier than thou’ tone doesn’t make you right mate. Everyone understands how a season works, it’s over 38 games - my opinion is that over his e tire time with us, and his stint at Forest, he showed he isn’t Prem level, that’s my opinion, you disagree, cool. The sarcy little “look at these guys doesn’t make you opinion any more correct or valid.
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Righto champ. Glad Thomas Frank has come in to save the day.
 
billyiddo said:
Maddison provides good passing and creativity in/from the middle of the pitch - we would look a much more balanced side with him in Simons position in this 4231. Solanke can hold the ball up and is a focal point which is two of the main things lacking in Richarlison.

It wouldn't turn us in to world beaters but would certainly improve us in the areas we are currently finding most frustrating currently
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I'll be honest I don't see it with Maddison. I was one of those who was very critical of him even the first season under Ange. I find him to be a player that promises a lot but delivers little. Hes underwhelming, I know everyone will disagree or give me pelters, but truly hes a meh player. Hes more of the same as far as this current squad is concerned, an 8-14 team player.

A friend put it like this to me, you want players who you think are too good for your side. We've had a few in our time, Berbatov, Bale, Kane etc, etc. Then you have players who are exactly at their level, then you have those you feel you could improve upon. Maddison for me is in that last category. If he were fit and playing he'd be a player that i'd very likely be saying we need to improve upon, so for me I don't look at his absence as being especially painful. He wasn't actually that great when he was available, but thats just imo, and I know I have higher standards than most.
 
billyiddo said:
This is a team that have been giving away points for fun for the best part of 18 months with not so much as a whimper of a response - they haven't got an ounce of professional pride between them
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If only the negative spiral started merely 18 months ago… we’ve now endured over 2 years of bottom half form with still no end in sight to this painful rebuild…

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Disgraceful performance. It’s unacceptable and inexcusable.

Saying it’s down to two mistakes and a worldie is disingenuous. They murdered us.

Our tactics were beyond brainless. The performances, to a man, were just as bad. Spence’s reaction to coming off was yet another little sign of dissent. Johnson, coming on, didn’t look like he wanted to come on the pitch. Maybe I’m reading too much into little things but this doesn’t look a happy camp.

Frank should get the season at least but many more like this and he won’t. There have been too many of them already.
 
afsoc4life said:
On records, Ange has never lost to Frank. In H2H, Frank got beaten by Ange.
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I once accelerated away from a set of lights in my mums mini before a Ferrari sat next to me, but there would be more nuance to an overall decision on which car I’d want…

It’s fine mate, you think Ange is better overall, I think Frank is better than Ange. Neither opinion is illegal, we can agree to disagree.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Disgraceful performance. It’s unacceptable and inexcusable.

Saying it’s down to two mistakes and a worldie is disingenuous. They murdered us.

Our tactics were beyond brainless. The performances, to a man, were just as bad. Spence’s reaction to coming off was yet another little sign of dissent. Johnson, coming on, didn’t look like he wanted to come on the pitch. Maybe I’m reading too much into little things but this doesn’t look a happy camp.

Frank should get the season at least but many more like this and he won’t. There have been too many of them already.
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I would look like Djed and Johnson too if I was asked to play this absolutely garbage football.
 
Rafa87 said:
I once accelerated away from a set of lights in my mums mini before a Ferrari sat next to me, but there would be more nuance to an overall decision on which car I’d want…

It’s fine mate, you think Ange is better overall, I think Frank is better than Ange. Neither opinion is illegal, we can agree to disagree.
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That is fine
 
tommysvr said:
Righto champ. Glad Thomas Frank has come in to save the day.
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I know you want to turn this into a Frank vs Ange thing but meh not interested. Both suffer from having players not up to standard they require. We'll see if Frank is able to either get players in who do match his requirements, or he is able to adapt to the squad he has available and get performances and results. Time will tell.
 
Bishop said:
I'll be honest I don't see it with Maddison. I was one of those who was very critical of him even the first season under Ange. I find him to be a player that promises a lot but delivers little. Hes underwhelming, I know everyone will disagree or give me pelters, but truly hes a meh player. Hes more of the same as far as this current squad is concerned, an 8-14 team player.

A friend put it like this to me, you want players who you think are too good for your side. We've had a few in our time, Berbatov, Bale, Kane etc, etc. Then you have players who are exactly at their level, then you have those you feel you could improve upon. Maddison for me is in that last category. If he were fit and playing he'd be a player that i'd very likely be saying we need to improve upon, so for me I don't look at his absence as being especially painful. He wasn't actually that great when he was available, but thats just imo, and I know I have higher standards than most.
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Whether you rate him highly or not surely you can see that his profile as a player is that of what we are missing right now and what no other midfielder in our squad offers?

It's not sustainable either way having so few players comfortable on the ball in the middle of the pitch
 
Bishop said:
I know you want to turn this into a Frank vs Ange thing but meh not interested. Both suffer from having players not up to standard they require. We'll see if Frank is able to either get players in who do match his requirements, or he is able to adapt to the squad he has available and get performances ad results. Tie will tell.
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Mate, seriously, no-one, not one single poster, is saying we’ve got a squad full of world beaters, but we should be playing better than this..
 
DeanoAustin said:
Disgraceful performance. It’s unacceptable and inexcusable.

Saying it’s down to two mistakes and a worldie is disingenuous. They murdered us.

Our tactics were beyond brainless. The performances, to a man, were just as bad. Spence’s reaction to coming off was yet another little sign of dissent. Johnson, coming on, didn’t look like he wanted to come on the pitch. Maybe I’m reading too much into little things but this doesn’t look a happy camp.

Frank should get the season at least but many more like this and he won’t. There have been too many of them already.
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All depends if another manager becomes available
That may make the club act
 
billyiddo said:
Whether you rate him highly or not surely you can see that his profile as a player is that of what we are missing right now and what no other midfielder in our squad offers?
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I don't believe his actual quality will in reality make a difference. It didn't last season or the season before that.

He has the right play style but hes lacking in "it" for his play style to actually work consistently.
 
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