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Mathys Tel

I read somewhere that he could replace Solanke because Solanke’s injury was more than 60 days which is the rule. But Jesus has replaced Dowman in Arsenals squad and he only got injured on Saturday apparently?
 
clownfoot said:
I read somewhere that he could replace Solanke because Solanke’s injury was more than 60 days which is the rule. But Jesus has replaced Dowman in Arsenals squad and he only got injured on Saturday apparently?
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Guessing if 60 days he won't be able to be added to the squad for the knockout stages?
No idea.
 
Muttley said:
I thought Tel was bright when he came on. Odobert was really poor.

I'd like to see Tel given a run on the left with Kudus on the right and Xavi and Muani playing through the middle.
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Bit harsh to say Odobert was poor. He has played better for sure but remember in the fist minute he'd have had an assist if their GK didn't pull of a miraculous save his his shoulder.

Got a couple of decent shots off as well. I was also disappointed he didn't continue to try and take on their right-back directly but that might have been because they started doubling up a bit more on his side...

Odobert wasn't poor imo.

Tel showed good sharpness and quick feet i agree.
 
glorygloryeze said:
Bit harsh to say Odobert was poor. He has played better for sure but remember in the fist minute he'd have had an assist if their GK didn't pull of a miraculous save his his shoulder.

Got a couple of decent shots off as well. I was also disappointed he didn't continue to try and take on their right-back directly but that might have been because they started doubling up a bit more on his side...

Odobert wasn't poor imo.

Tel showed good sharpness and quick feet i agree.
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86% of duels lost
zero dribbles completed
missed 2 big chances

OK, he wasn't a total disaster but if he can't produce against that opposition then I would worry about him against the PL's best. There just seems to be something missing from his game at this early stage of his career. Tel seemed to have way more purpose when he came on.

Personally, I wouldn't be selecting Odobert over Tel.
 
Muttley said:
86% of duels lost
zero dribbles completed
missed 2 big chances

OK, he wasn't a total disaster but if he can't produce against that opposition then I would worry about him against the PL's best. There just seems to be something missing from his game at this early stage of his career. Tel seemed to have way more purpose when he came on.

Personally, I wouldn't be selecting Odobert over Tel.
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Zero dribbles completed??
Did the stats only start being compiled after 2 mins of play or something??

But yeah perhaps your general point about what he produced against that opposition is fair, especially compared to Tel
 
glorygloryeze said:
Zero dribbles completed??
Did the stats only start being compiled after 2 mins of play or something??

But yeah perhaps your general point about what he produced against that opposition is fair, especially compared to Tel
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Dribbling stats are imo really inaccurate/misleading, particularly over a small sample size.

Not his best game, but was alright.
 
clownfoot said:
I read somewhere that he could replace Solanke because Solanke’s injury was more than 60 days which is the rule. But Jesus has replaced Dowman in Arsenals squad and he only got injured on Saturday apparently?
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I believe this is the rule Frank referred to yesterday…

UEFA Documents

documents.uefa.com documents.uefa.com
Article 31: Player Lists

14c. Long-term injury or illness of an outfield player: during the league phase until matchday 6 included, the club concerned may temporarily replace a maximum of one outfield player and register a new outfield player. …

An injury or illness of an outfield player is considered long-term if it lasts at least 60 days as of the day the injury or illness occurred. If the outfield player recovers before the end of this 60-day period, the player remains nonetheless not eligible to participate in any UEFA club competition (i.e. UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League or UEFA Conference League), until the end of such period.

The club must provide UEFA with the necessary medical evidence in one of UEFA's official languages. Before confirming the replacement, UEFA may require further medical examination of the outfield player by an expert appointed by UEFA at the club's expense. Once the injured or ill outfield player is fit to be fielded again, he becomes eligible and/or can resume his position in place of his substitute, who must consequently be removed from the list. The return of the original outfield player must be announced to the UEFA administration at least 24 hours before the next match in which the original outfield player is due to play.
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Seems that an injured player doesn’t need to have already been sidelined for 60 days in order to make a change to CL squad under this rule, merely that he cannot play in any UEFA competition for 60 days from whence the injury occurred; so I don’t know why we dilly-dallied all this time if Solanke isn’t even close to playing following surgery whilst Tel has been left twiddling his thumbs.

www.bbc.co.uk

Champions League: Why Arsenal's Gabriel Jesus and Spur's Mathys Tel can be added to UCL squads

BBC Sport's Ask Me Anything team explains why Arsenal and Spurs are allowed to make changes to their Champions League squads.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
glorygloryeze said:
Zero dribbles completed??
Did the stats only start being compiled after 2 mins of play or something??

But yeah perhaps your general point about what he produced against that opposition is fair, especially compared to Tel
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He did 2 types of things all night. The first was try and take a man on and lose the ball. It was proper blind alley territory. The second was get involved in interplay, but never pick the right moment to cross. That made him largely ineffective to be fair.

Don't want to write him off, but I'm certain I would be favouring pitch time for Tel over him at this point in the season. From what I remember, Tel livened up when he was switched to the left. He came on for Kudus and covered the right for about 15 mins and then he went to left wing towards the end. I found him way more positive and more likely to cause mayhem.
 
glorygloryeze said:
Zero dribbles completed??
Did the stats only start being compiled after 2 mins of play or something??

But yeah perhaps your general point about what he produced against that opposition is fair, especially compared to Tel
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glorygloryeze said:
Bit harsh to say Odobert was poor. He has played better for sure but remember in the fist minute he'd have had an assist if their GK didn't pull of a miraculous save his his shoulder.

Got a couple of decent shots off as well. I was also disappointed he didn't continue to try and take on their right-back directly but that might have been because they started doubling up a bit more on his side...

Odobert wasn't poor imo.

Tel showed good sharpness and quick feet i agree.
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I generally prefer Odobert to Tel, I see more potential from him long term. However yesterday Tel came on and showed what Odobert needed to. He came on and really imposed himself, he was very direct. Odobert did keep the width but he had loads of opportunities to spin off the RB especially on some of the breaks we had. You could see it live but Odobert never made the run inside the defender. As I said in the match thread I found his performance quite disappointing as it was an opportunity to impress, whereas Tel did in his short time on the pitch.
 
Bishop said:
I generally prefer Odobert to Tel, I see more potential from him long term. However yesterday Tel came on and showed what Odobert needed to. He came on and really imposed himself, he was very direct. Odobert did keep the width but he had loads of opportunities to spin off the RB especially on some of the breaks we had. You could see it live but Odobert never made the run inside the defender. As I said in the match thread I found his performance quite disappointing as it was an opportunity to impress, whereas Tel did in his short time on the pitch.
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Tel is direct, Odobert is indirect. They complement each other well as alternatives for different opponents or phases of the game.

I do think neither are at the requisite level just yet. But also neither are that far off
 
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