Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[Grays_1890]

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For a party that talks about UK first, having your Ex Welsh leader banged up for selling out to the Russians is a massive hit

 

[scaramanga]

Of which that shows that large cities have areas of depravation where as the lowest are areas like Epsom and Ewell, I think most are able to understand why that might be

By nearly every metric Burnham has improved Manchester and its now:

- World class broadcasting and entertainments centre
- World class arts hub
- World class Meetings & events centre including a hub for creative agencies
- Inward investment from major industry
- Major international Hospitality investment into the city
- Integrated and improvement of transport systems seeing their use rise massively

No one is claiming he could do it without money from elsewhere, but he has fought for that money and made vast improvements to the city, its nearly unrecognisable to that before he took over and as someone who has 20+ clients in the city and being up there as much as I am, I can tell you the barometer from businesses there are HUGELY favourable of his impact. If he delivers on the promises of the growth fund, his legacy will be set for a long time in the city

That's not propaganda, that's having skin in the game with it and listening to what people say locally about the guy.

As I say, I take that every day of the week over a Bojo, Truss, Kemi, Farage and Starmer every day of the week

Of course businesses are favourable towards him - he doesn't have to do the difficult stuff like feed and clothe the peasants up there. You'd have to be a retard of Khan's level to fudge up being a mayor.

His model only works when you only control a poor part of the economy. His model completely fails when you need to actually tax people and pay for things.

 

[Grays_1890]

Of course businesses are favourable towards him - he doesn't have to do the difficult stuff like feed and clothe the peasants up there. You'd have to be a retard of Khan's level to fudge up being a mayor.

His model only works when you only control a poor part of the economy. His model completely fails when you need to actually tax people and pay for things.

Thats what you have a political party for, if you are more competent than the last few at getting the right people in the right jobs then you will be fine. The jobs about being able to lead, PR, having abit about you and having the gumption to fight for things, which he has a mayor.

 

[scaramanga]

Thats what you have a political party for, if you are more competent than the last few at getting the right people in the right jobs then you will be fine. The jobs about being able to lead, PR, having abit about you and having the gumption to fight for things, which he has a mayor.

I don't think you've listened to him speak much then.

He has no regard for the damage profligate spending you wreak on the economy. He has no understanding that the wealthiest in the country can move/rearrange assets/hire better lawyers than HMRC. He has no understanding of the need to attract business with friendly regulations and tax regimes. He has no understanding whatsoever that Gordon Brown's magic money tree doesn't actually exist.

The list could go on forever, but it really is just pointless. He's everything that's terrible about Corbyn except the antisemitism (I think).

 

[Grays_1890]

I don't think you've listened to him speak much then.

He has no regard for the damage profligate spending you wreak on the economy. He has no understanding that the wealthiest in the country can move/rearrange assets/hire better lawyers than HMRC. He has no understanding of the need to attract business with friendly regulations and tax regimes. He has no understanding whatsoever that Gordon Brown's magic money tree doesn't actually exist.

The list could go on forever, but it really is just pointless. He's everything that's terrible about Corbyn except the antisemitism (I think).

I listen to the business owners and resident who live there who wax lyrical about the guy who has transformed their city.

Managed to facilitate the new IBM offices in Manchester and the 2bn Innovation Hub. It also trends just under London as the most attractive place to set up your business in part to many of the successes achieved in the last few years.

You obviously don't like the bloke but its clear as day he has been a very very good Mayor and a force for good for Manchester

 

[Finney Is Back]

I listen to the business owners and resident who live there who wax lyrical about the guy who has transformed their city.

Managed to facilitate the new IBM offices in Manchester and the 2bn Innovation Hub. It also trends just under London as the most attractive place to set up your business in part to many of the successes achieved in the last few years.

You obviously don't like the bloke but its clear as day he has been a very very good Mayor and a force for good for Manchester

I think those points absolutely show that he is a good (great?) mayor for Manchester.

Until I hear him talking about a government's need to show fiscal responsibility (or at least certainly not talking up the opposite) then I'd err on the side of caution when it comes to wanting him as PM (especially as most of his backers are those more on the left side of the party who's ideas are anything but fiscally responsible).

 

[Grays_1890]

I think those points absolutely show that he is a good (great?) mayor for Manchester.

Until I hear him talking about a government's need to show fiscal responsibility (or at least certainly not talking up the opposite) then I'd err on the side of caution when it comes to wanting him as PM (especially as most of his backers are those more on the left side of the party who's ideas are anything but fiscally responsible).

Thats cool and I get that

But if you talk about track records of doing good things and that being a shop window for bigger jobs, then he is high up the list. He is certainly better than what we have across all parties IMO, although thats a low bar admittedly.

 

[scaramanga]

Thats cool and I get that

But if you talk about track records of doing good things and that being a shop window for bigger jobs, then he is high up the list. He is certainly better than what we have across all parties IMO, although thats a low bar admittedly.

I'm not sure I'd look at someone who's done an unrelated job (with almost opposite pressures) as the best choice for the biggest job in government.

The biggest (really the only) job of the PM, with the help of the Chancellor, is getting the economy right. Every single thing Burnham has ever said about the economy and his beliefs about it, show that he would be absolutely terrible at the job. He would be worse at it than someone who has never been involved in politics. In fact, he has the same understanding of economics as most Politics students seem to have when they're still young/stupid enough to believe the world is made of unicorns and rainbows and if we just all love each other enough, everything will be ok.

 

[Grays_1890]

I'm not sure I'd look at someone who's done an unrelated job (with almost opposite pressures) as the best choice for the biggest job in government.

The biggest (really the only) job of the PM, with the help of the Chancellor, is getting the economy right. Every single thing Burnham has ever said about the economy and his beliefs about it, show that he would be absolutely terrible at the job. He would be worse at it than someone who has never been involved in politics. In fact, he has the same understanding of economics as most Politics students seem to have when they're still young/stupid enough to believe the world is made of unicorns and rainbows and if we just all love each other enough, everything will be ok.

So if you are not picking someone who has been in government before and been a Mayor of a major city, then where are you picking leaders from? Didn't you champion Boris from memory as leader of the Tories?