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Muttley said:
He mostly does, but I'm often left wondering why he was such a failure at running a football club himself. He must have made some pretty bad decisions in this football money train to take his own club into administration and lose most of his own fortune in the process. Levy on the other hand rode the football money train brilliantly and helped us grow organically to the level we are today.
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Jordan was a genuine fan and he leveraged most of his fortune trying to make Palace successful but obviously a club like Palace is a harder prospect to engance than the relatively sleeping giant that was Spurs with it's inbuilt larger fan base and financial proposition.

If Jordan had used Levy's mo he probably wouldn't have lost his wealth but then Palace probably would have been in the Championship at an earlier stage.
 
Bishop said:
Jordan was a genuine fan and he leveraged most of his fortune trying to make Palace successful but obviously a club like Palace is a harder prospect to engance than the relatively sleeping giant that was Spurs with it's inbuilt larger fan base and financial proposition.

If Jordan had used Levy's mo he probably wouldn't have lost his wealth but then Palace probably would have been in the Championship at an earlier stage.
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I think iirc Palace only spent 1 year in the PL during his tenure?

The ground issue was his biggest loss/hurdle..
Initially not purchasing it from Ron Noades and then ending up with a increasing lease fee from Kelmsley (was ultimately owned by our very own Joe Lewis if you look into it)
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I think iirc Palace only spent 1 year in the PL during his tenure?

The ground issue was his biggest loss/hurdle..
Initially not purchasing it from Ron Noades and then ending up with a increasing lease fee from Kelmsley (was ultimately owned by our very own Joe Lewis if you look into it)
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Didn't they use Paul Kemsley to broker the deals? I can't remember the story clearly, was using a company called Rock something if I rememebr
 
Lilbaz said:
He lost over a billion on lehman bros.
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I wonder if that billion loss (third of his wealth) had a negative effect on his behaviour towards his Spurs investment (A subliminal belt tightening so to speak), or whether he was just leaving DL to get on with things in the trusted manner as usual??
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I wonder if that billion loss (third of his wealth) had a negative effect on his behaviour towards his Spurs investment (A subliminal belt tightening so to speak), or whether he was just leaving DL to get on with things in the trusted manner as usual??
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Think he mostly left levy to get on with it. The value of spurs was growing. Think to him it was more an investment then leave it. Levy was proving himself. The club was in no danger. Just gearing up to build the new stadium.
 
Lilbaz said:
Think he mostly left levy to get on with it. The value of spurs was growing. Think to him it was more an investment then leave it. Levy was proving himself. The club was in no danger. Just gearing up to build the new stadium.
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I think you're probably right....why invest 'extra' ....when he's probably sitting in exactly the same position as if he'd invested more or not. He had the ultimate safe pair of hands in DL.
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
I think you're probably right....why invest 'extra' ....when he's probably sitting in exactly the same position as if he'd invested more or not. He had the ultimate safe pair of hands in DL.
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That's why I'm hugely skeptical about this whole "ambition" line now.

Easy to swoop in now, 24 years after the hard work and 50m to 4bn project has been completed claiming to have more ambition.

Time will most certainly tell
 
Grays_1890 said:
That's why I'm hugely skeptical about this whole "ambition" line now.

Easy to swoop in now, 24 years after the hard work and 50m to 4bn project has been completed claiming to have more ambition.

Time will most certainly tell
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Well, the safe pair of hands has gone.

We don't know if JL has relinquished final decision making to the children?

If he has, what financial construct are they working within?

The details of the trust they set up a while back around ownership would be interesting.

The yard stick, if all other things being equal (largely around being well run) is Liverpool and Arsenal. ie how much have their owners self invested over 5-10years...as whatever that amount is, is proof on the level of investment needed to be successful (yeah yeah yeah I know Arsenal haven't won anything)
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Well, the safe pair of hands has gone.

We don't know if JL has relinquished final decision making to the children?

If he has, what financial construct are they working within?

The details of the trust they set up a while back around ownership would be interesting.

The yard stick, if all other things being equal (largely around being well run) is Liverpool and Arsenal. ie how much have their owners self invested over 5-10years...as whatever that amount is, is proof on the level of investment needed to be successful (yeah yeah yeah I know Arsenal haven't won anything)
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Think it might be more reactionary. Ok we won a trophy last season but we were far from the 6th best team last season in england.
Saudi Sportswashing Machine and villa started getting regular cl. Forest getting el. We could be back to being a midtable team again.
Stadium or not that would wipe a huge amount off our value.
 
Lilbaz said:
Think it might be more reactionary. Ok we won a trophy last season but we were far from the 6th best team last season in england.
Saudi Sportswashing Machine and villa started getting regular cl. Forest getting el. We could be back to being a midtable team again.
Stadium or not that would wipe a huge amount off our value.
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we have better foundations though, Villa, and more recently forest have been championship teams, you can't just shrug that off in a few years

Saudi Sportswashing Machine is interesting, as all the money they supposedly have isn't moving the needle for them as quickly as it did at City and Chelsea, I think there is more to that than the sustainability rules
 
Baleforce said:
we have better foundations though, Villa, and more recently forest have been championship teams, you can't just shrug that off in a few years

Saudi Sportswashing Machine is interesting, as all the money they supposedly have isn't moving the needle for them as quickly as it did at City and Chelsea, I think there is more to that than the sustainability rules
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Yeah we have better foundations but if 5 clubs are getting cl money of £100m a year and you aren't. It hurts. Also sponsors etc...

We did similar when we had a bad start under ramos. Sacked him did a share issue and gave the money to redknapp to spend.
 
Lilbaz said:
Think it might be more reactionary. Ok we won a trophy last season but we were far from the 6th best team last season in england.
Saudi Sportswashing Machine and villa started getting regular cl. Forest getting el. We could be back to being a midtable team again.
Stadium or not that would wipe a huge amount off our value
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Base income generation is key though. It genuinely (beyond Man U type mismanagement) puts a floor underneath you. Few clubs, especially the ones who have aspirations to take our place, have that. You then rely on good decision making and/or lucking out with a manager. That can work but is susceptible to falling apart as the decision making slips, a manager gets poached, or just the natural end of a cycle.

The middling clubs Bournemouth Brentford Brighton etc can be well run BUT end up being stripped of their best players so end up in that feeder club cycle.

The league is hotting up but its only Liverpool and Arsenal that look nailed on to be Top 5 finishers in recent seasons.
 
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