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LutonSpurs said:
The utopia of total free market is not a reality if you understand how our society is right now. It will cause extreme suffering for working classes. With AI in the mix even more so. You can't want to see that just so you can have more of what you already have enough of.
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There isn't a totally free market. And under Reform there wouldn't be either. There would be a mixed market. In fact, they are in favour of nationalisation.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Equally people just don't like Trump because his history of being a sexual predator etc etc. I'm ok with not wanting to align with folk like that
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What about people that didn’t want the Pakistani child rape gangs investigated or people like sadingdong khan who lobbied against it?
 
markysimmo said:
I do love the UK and my country, although not so much lately as it's been allowed to turn into a 3rd world country by the Labour & Tory governments of the last 20 or so years
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Whats interesting though, and I love being English, British, European BTW. I have just come back from three weeks working abroad and coming back to Heathrow last night you have the pictures to welcome you to London and literally the culture is sold as.........black cabs, pearly king and queen and a beefeater. So I do wonder what the culture is that gets mentioned so much that we are losing? That's not a dig at you BTW but its a genuine question.

I mean I have been privileged enough to travel the world a few times and I have to say, we are one of the least cultural places I have been BUT go on about our culture more than others who have it in abundance. That again is not a dig, its just an observation

I see alot of people going on about things that them themselves no longer support, I doubt many West Ham fans went out their way to support the pie and mash shops in Upton Park when the ground moved which went out of business etc. Pubs are not being supported by people in the numbers they once were because even British culture has changed to a social media age where people don't talk and youngsters are not obsessed with booze.

The new trend from the grifters like TR and Brand is to go on about GHod and church (because it gives them edge to preach) yet even they are empty and if you read your bible, there is as much to fear about those words as any religion moaned about elsewhere.

So in short, I wonder what our culture is that we are trying to protect?

Mine, having lived in Edmonton was built being British in an area which was an attack on the senses, Turkish shops and food, West Indian music, being a Jew and supporting Spurs.................and I fcuking would not change that for the world.
 
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markysimmo said:
Reform intending to reduce Corporation Tax thresholds massively, get rid of the ridiculous IR35 rules would be brilliant for me, get them in, I can earn a fortune in 4 years then retire early and go and live somewhere not in the UK, happy days
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The biggy would be replacing council tax with a land value tax, and applying it to offshore owned estates too. That would revolutionise the concentration of wealth and funding of public services
 
Gutter Boy said:
The biggy would be replacing council tax with a land value tax, and applying it to offshore owned estates too. That would revolutionise the concentration of wealth and funding of public services
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Most actual tax experts (e.g. Dan Niedle) agree that if you were to do a wealth tax, the only one that is actually not a complete load of gonads conceptually and practically is a LVT.

You probably couldn't apply it to offshore owned eatates though. Legal jurisdiction of the UK to do that would probably be ripped to shreds in the courts.

Unless you mean UK estates owned via an offshore vehicle (i.e. I am Toad of Toad Hall living in Toad Hall. Toad Hall is owned by Frogspawn Holdings UK Ltd, in Jersey. Which is in turn held 100% by Frogspawn Global Holdings Ltd in the British Virgin Islands. 100% of the share capital of this company has been settled into a Cayman Islands trust of which Toadinthehole Corporate Trustees Ltd are the Trustee and my tadpoles are the beneficiaries).

A LVT is great in this situation as you just tax the Jersey holding company. Whereas in a pure wealth tax aimed at the assets of Toad of Toad Hall, HMRC would probably spend more in investigation and legal fees trying to prove toad of toad hall had a taxable wealth interest in Toad Hall than they'd claw back in wealth tax even if they won in court whilst carrying significant risk that they'd lose in court and not only have no wealth tax on Toad hall, but are now liable to pay ol' Toady's legal costs.
 
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Silly McSilly Face said:
Most actual tax experts (e.g. Dan Niedle) agree that if you were to do a wealth tax, the only one that is actually not a complete load of gonads conceptually and practically is a LVT.

You probably couldn't apply it to offshore owned eatates though. Legal jurisdiction of the UK to do that would probably be ripped to shreds in the courts.

Unless you mean UK estates owned via an offshore vehicle (i.e. I am Toad of Toad Hall living in Toad Hall. Toad Hall is owned by Frogspawn Holdings UK Ltd, in Jersey. Which is in turn held 100% by Frogspawn Global Holdings Ltd in the British Virgin Islands. 100% of the share capital of this company has been settled into a Cayman Islands trust of which Toadinthehole Corporate Trustees Ltd are the Trustee and my tadpoles are the beneficiaries).
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Yes, more what you spell out. Making sure that all the land that is owned through British Virgin Island entities etc to currently escape stamp duty and inheritance tax is forced to pay their share
 
markysimmo said:
I do love the UK and my country, although not so much lately as it's been allowed to turn into a 3rd world country by the Labour & Tory governments of the last 20 or so years
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I'm not sure if you are being flippant?..but have you ever absorbed yourself into a third world country?..the UK isn't that. And the biggest feature of a third world country is the gap between the 'haves and have-nots'
 
markysimmo said:
Reform intending to reduce Corporation Tax thresholds massively, get rid of the ridiculous IR35 rules would be brilliant for me, get them in, I can earn a fortune in 4 years then retire early and go and live somewhere not in the UK, happy days
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Where would you go? Which country has it right in your view?
 
scaramanga said:
There are some jobs that should have been automated a long time ago - like train drivers, etc that will and should go.

Every revolution in work has made people sure that it would kill jobs and it doesn't, it just changes them. The industrial revolution didn't kill work, the invention of the car didn't kill work, the computer and internet revolution didn't kill work. AI won't weed and seal my driveway or trim my trees and I'll be fudged if I'm doing it.

Education is an interesting one. There are so many talented, hard working teachers in our state system. But so much of their work is undone by the lazy, incompetent, unsackable few. There are two steps that would immediately make a leap in education quality in this country:

1) Reduce the strength of the unions in order to allow schools to replace underperforming staff and better incentivise the talented.

2) Offer an annual £5k tax rebate to anyone that privately educates their child. This will both relieve the pressure on a creaking state system and improve the education of those leaving it.

Labour can't achieve 1, as they would be skint if they did. 2 doesn't play well to the clapping seal simpletons who base their political opinions on envy and a hatred of success.
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Don’t disagree with your first point and can see some truth in the second point. For me, though, the biggest problems facing education today are:

1. The prevalence of poor parenting skills, frequently - but not exclusively - linked to technology use, both by pupils at home and their parents. This is also linked to the desire of many parents to be their child’s best friend, rather than their parent.

2. The difficulty for schools in dealing promptly with those who disrupt the learning of others.

3. The hollowing out of state services has led to teachers having to work in areas (such as social care and mental health) in which they receive only the most basic training, and which take up far too much of their focus in lessons.
 
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Mikey10 said:
Don’t disagree with your first point and can see some truth in the second point. For me, though, the biggest problems facing education today are:

1. The prevalence of poor parenting skills, frequently - but not exclusively - linked to technology use, both by pupils at home and their parents. This is also linked to the desire of many parents to be their child’s best friend, rather than their parent.

2. The difficulty for schools in dealing promptly with those who disrupt the learning of others.

3. The hollowing out of state services has led to teachers having to work in areas (such as social care and mental health) in which they receive only the most basic training, and which take up far too much of their focus in lessons.
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There's also Michael Gove's big fudge up - the Asianisation of learning. I.e. kids being taught to cram outcomes, rather than comprehend the process or develop critical thinking. The ones who walk into university now are docile robots who can't cope with independent thought
 
LutonSpurs said:
You have to wonder what makes certain people see a 3rd world in a 1sr world country...
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It’s the sight of once prosperous areas becoming ghettos full where one high street will have money laundering shops like excessive number barber shops, excessive butcher shops, and run down facilities as the population are not contributing back into the areas through work. Instead you have people with larger families supported by the state, lots of men just hanging around without work in the streets, hardly a word of English spoken, rubbish everywhere and it looks like an absolute dump. The schools are overrun and the public facilities are at their limits. It doesn’t look like England.
 
Gazza said:
It’s the sight of once prosperous areas becoming ghettos full where one high street will have money laundering shops like excessive number barber shops, excessive butcher shops, and run down facilities as the population are not contributing back into the areas through work. Instead you have people with larger families supported by the state, lots of men just hanging around without work in the streets, hardly a word of English spoken, rubbish everywhere and it looks like an absolute dump. The schools are overrun and the public facilities are at their limits. It doesn’t look like England.
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TBF we had that in other business through a number of businesses previously.

Breakers yards and scaff yards in and around London are hardly making the place look like the Ritz and if you drink in any pub near one, you often hear how proud people are avoiding paying tax and flying under the radar
 
Grays_1890 said:
TBF we had that in other business through a number of businesses previously.

Breakers yards and scaff yards in and around London are hardly making the place look like the Ritz and if you drink in any pub near one, you often hear how proud people are avoiding paying tax and flying under the radar
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All roads eventually lead back to Thatcher - the prioritisation of the self over any sense community, or responsibility other than that which was personal.
 
Grays_1890 said:
TBF we had that in other business through a number of businesses previously.

Breakers yards and scaff yards in and around London are hardly making the place look like the Ritz and if you drink in any pub near one, you often hear how proud people are avoiding paying tax and flying under the radar
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Those places are usually way out of the communal areas reserved for industrial estates typically. And it’s not the area vs some businesses
 
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