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I think it's accurate to say there are 3 reasons for flying the flag, when you're representing, when you've achieved something, when you're marking your territory.

The last one is exactly what was happening.
you think that's the 3 reasons to fly a flag in your head. I don't personally fly a flag at any time. I haven't even ever bought or worn an England football shirt. But you are projecting your own thought processes into a judgement on other people.
 
So much time/effort/focus being spent on a very small part of a bigger issue.
Driven by media and optics.

Has there been much talk of other solutions, not just channel crossers, but overall net immigration?
A very good point and a bit of a political trap that the last tory government AND this current government have fallen into.

If you follow Farage most of his stuff put out to his base and wider on social media isn't about the boats. It is about legal migration. In his words, the numbers are unprecedented and unimaginable and you wonder why you can't get a house, why you can't get a doctor's or a dentist appointment. You wonder why all the local schools are oversubscribed. He speaks really articulately, very powerfully about this topic and it really resonates.

Yet in Parliament and with the mainstream media, most of what he talks about is the boats. And as such, as that is what makes headlines, it is what has driven tory and labour policy over the last few years.

But ultimately its a successful distraction as neither tory nor labour have even attempted to come up with a plan to tackle the real problem. Partly that is because of course there are still those in both parties that feel uncomfortable in going hard on the issue and some like with the new Green leader that think we should focus on talking about the benefits of immigration.

What these people don't seem to realise is that argument was utterly lost years ago. A significant majority of people now feel like there is zero benefit in current immigration numbers. AND it IS a numbers game - if the bath is overflowing and you think the answer to the problem is to stand there and talk about the health benefits of water and bathing rather than turning the tap off and taking the plug out then you're a f*cking macaron and the majority of people will see you as exactly that.
 
Jeez enough of the intimidation. Especially from peaceful people.

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You are Asian and don’t like Muslims and support Tommy Robinson.

This:


Is what your support for him leads to.

You think that they only don’t like Muslims and you will be ok… nah man they don’t like brown people… that’s you to even if you don’t know it yet.
 
I have just chosen this post to reply to out of random.

You are Asian and don’t like Muslims and support Tommy Robinson.

This:


Is what your support for him leads to.

You think that they only don’t like Muslims and you will be ok… nah man they don’t like brown people… that’s you to even if you don’t know it yet.
And as a Jew it was us 20 years ago.....

.....now we have them as a faux alliance because they have moved on to hating Muslims

.......oh BTW it was blacks and the Irish too not so long ago.

People either have short memories or purposely being ignorant to the history of racism from the right in this country. If you actually think they are your mates, then GHod help you
 
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I have just chosen this post to reply to out of random.

You are Asian and don’t like Muslims and support Tommy Robinson.

This:


Is what your support for him leads to.

You think that they only don’t like Muslims and you will be ok… nah man they don’t like brown people… that’s you to even if you don’t know it yet.
Here we go.

No I didn’t say I don’t like Muslims, I do question Islam as a religion and its leader “Supposedly the best example to man kind”. Thanks for free speech that I can have an opinion on it, and any other religion of my choosing.

Have you actually seen the video where Tommy Robinson has condemned this?

Of course you are going to get idiots. . But to simply say look at this now tell me, it’s highly illogical. I thought you were smarter than this mate.

That’s like me saying keep going as we are and Pakistani rapists and small boat migrants raping girls means all Muslims are bad people.

Also I’m not a supporter of Tommy Robinson, but I’ve seen so much now not by the main media and his interviews outside of it. I know deep down he is not a racist.

Yes I do believe though islamism grates on him and the Pakistani rape gangs cover up don’t help. People have had enough, the media and the government don’t help. It’s quite messy as it is and will only get worse.

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I can get you more. The main media has its agenda and it never reports true. All I’m saying is that don’t believe everything that the media tells you.
 
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Also I’m not a supporter of Tommy Robinson, but I’ve seen so much now not by the main media and his interviews outside of it. I know deep down he is not a racist.

There is no denying the media make up a narrative but there is enough evidence out there, much provided by Tommy himself which shows what kind of guy he is.

Being caught on camera calling a taxi driver a "p4ki" makes me think there is absolutely a theme with him.

Beating up an off duty cop who intervened whilst he about to assault his then girlfriend, amongst levels of violence make me question him even more. I mean, you could ask why he was not concerned about women then............

He is clearly, by his own boasting a HUGE drug taker, which is ironic because the money spent on drugs in this country gets filters back to.........yep you guessed it, human trafficking and sexual exploitation.

The guy is a hypocrite, absolutely is a racist and a prolific criminal, thats nothing to do with media profiling, thats just facts given fact based evidence.

If people want to hold him up as a leading voice for their own concerns, then I seriously question those people themselves. I would be running a mile from any association with someone with his track record
 
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There is no denying the media make up a narrative but there is enough evidence out there, much provided by Tommy himself which shows what kind of guy he is.

Being caught on camera calling a taxi driver a "p4ki" makes me think there is absolutely a theme with him.

Beating up an off duty cop who intervened whilst he about to assault his then girlfriend, amongst levels of violence make me question him even more.

He is clearly, by his own boasting a HUGE drug taker, which is ironic because the money spent on drugs in this country gets filters back to.........yep you guessed it, human trafficking and sexual exploitation.

The guy is a hypocrite, absolutely is a racist and a prolific criminal, thats nothing to do with media profiling, thats just facts given fact based evidence.

If people want to hold him up as a leading voice for their own concerns, then I seriously question those people themselves. I would be running a mile from any association with someone with his track record
I would say people have the ability to grow up.

My mate growing up called me a in the heat of an argument. Don’t make him a racist or a bad person. In the same token a Pakistani chap physically assaulted him on camera just for driving in Luton.

Many many people take drugs or have taken drugs in there lives at one time or another, some drugs better than others. I don’t think that is current news either.

And the rest of it is not current either. It’s amazing how normally people are excused and condemned with different agendas.

If a footballer did any of the above I’ve seen plenty people either say that he is scum or should be given a second Chance.

It seems like you have never done much wrong which is fine. But I bet you are also not the life of a party ha.
 
Here we go.

No I didn’t say I don’t like Muslims, I do question Islam as a religion and its leader “Supposedly the best example to man kind”. Thanks for free speech that I can have an opinion on it, and any other religion of my choosing.

Have you actually seen the video where Tommy Robinson has condemned this?

Of course you are going to get idiots. . But to simply say look at this now tell me, it’s highly illogical. I thought you were smarter than this mate.

That’s like me saying keep going as we are and Pakistani rapists and small boat migrants raping girls means all Muslims are bad people.

Also I’m not a supporter of Tommy Robinson, but I’ve seen so much now not by the main media and his interviews outside of it. I know deep down he is not a racist.

Yes I do believe though islamism grates on him and the Pakistani rape gangs cover up don’t help. People have had enough, the media and the government don’t help. It’s quite messy as it is and will only get worse.

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I can get you more. The main media has its agenda and it never reports true. All I’m saying is that don’t believe everything that the media tells you.

You know that “Tommy Robinson deep down is not a racist”???

Haha. You must know him really well then, because he has done some pretty racist shít that makes all sensible people think that he is very Racist.

So how many times have you hang out with old Tommy to know “deep down” he sooooo not racist
 
I would say people have the ability to grow up.

My mate growing up called me a in the heat of an argument. Don’t make him a racist or a bad person. In the same token a Pakistani chap physically assaulted him on camera just for driving in Luton.

Many many people take drugs or have taken drugs in there lives at one time or another, some drugs better than others. I don’t think that is current news either.

And the rest of it is not current either. It’s amazing how normally people are excused and condemned with different agendas.

If a footballer did any of the above I’ve seen plenty people either say that he is scum or should be given a second Chance.

It seems like you have never done much wrong which is fine. But I bet you are also not the life of a party ha.

The guy is literally a career criminal up to current time, so I would say its all very relevant TBH, but I can see you hold him in good standing so you are not going to have that and continue to have him down as misunderstood

As for your last statement, absolutely I have flaws in life, like everyone, but I most definitely choose my allegiances and people I hold in good standing alot more carefully than you seemingly do. Which BTW has zero link to being the life and soul of a party, so as digs go, you might wanna try harder chum
 
You know that “Tommy Robinson deep down is not a racist”???

Haha. You must know him really well then, because he has done some pretty racist shít that makes all sensible people think that he is very Racist.

So how many times have you hang out with old Tommy to know “deep down” he sooooo not racist
After watching his interviews with people that know him better than you seeing things and his portrayal in the media. So you are counting yourself as being logical and sensible? Is that right ?
 
The guy is literally a career criminal up to current time, so I would say its all very relevant TBH, but I can see you hold him in good standing so you are not going to have that and continue to have him down as misunderstood

As for your last statement, absolutely I have flaws in life, like everyone, but I most definitely choose my allegiances and people I hold in good standing alot more carefully than you seemingly do. Which BTW has zero link to being the life and soul of a party, so as digs go, you might wanna try harder chum
I’m not trying at all I don’t know why you have got your knickers in a twist, surely you can see it was a joke.

Criminal career up to current time? That’s fine you can have your views on him and obviously your main media research serves you well.
 
I’m not trying at all I don’t know why you have got your knickers in a twist, surely you can see it was a joke.

Criminal career up to current time? That’s fine you can have your views on him and obviously your main media research serves you well.

No knickers in any twist, its a conversation

The blokes got a criminal record and has recently fled the country..........or is that all lies fed by the media?
 
You know that “Tommy Robinson deep down is not a racist”???

Haha. You must know him really well then, because he has done some pretty racist shít that makes all sensible people think that he is very Racist.

So how many times have you hang out with old Tommy to know “deep down” he sooooo not racist
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