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Another shooting in Murica

I’m not a fan as such, but the world just feels like it’s eating itself at the moment.

So many hateful things happen, and people try to solve it with yet more hate.

Did I agree with the things he said? No, but do I think the way to solve that is to go and shoot him dead? Also no. Apparently his two very young daughters and wife were at the event. Regardless of things their dad said they don’t deserve that. Just a very hate filled world nowadays.
 
I’m not a fan as such, but the world just feels like it’s eating itself at the moment.

So many hateful things happen, and people try to solve it with yet more hate.

Did I agree with the things he said? No, but do I think the way to solve that is to go and shoot him dead? Also no. Apparently his two very young g daughters and wife were at the event. Regardless of things their dad said they don’t deserve that. Just a very hate filled world nowadays.

Also the ones celebrating think of themselves as the good guys.
Maybe take a look at yourself.
 
Also the ones celebrating think of themselves as the good guys.
Maybe take a look at yourself.

Yeah there’s quite a few celebratory threads on social media etc. I just can’t see how anyone can celebrate this stuff, I get people being offended by things and understandable in some cases of course, but I can’t get people celebrating deaths of this sort of level of person.
 
He actually constantly took the time to go to student events for debates and did some good - seemingly what he was again doing in Utah.

Will never ever get my head around shooting someone dead for having a different opinion to you....

That was his business wasn't it? It's a money making exercise of getting viral clips of "Destroying libs" without ever debating against adults.

This is horrendous though, leaving two kids behind.....Even if he had mixed up views on gun crime or people's freedom to be who they are, celebrating the likes of Kirk or a Ben Shapiro getting assassinated is crass and lacks humanity (if that's what people are doing).

I'm casting spells and chanting in his honour, a David Cross reference, exactly the type of person Kirk would not go up against in debate, but that shouldn't be a death sentence in and of itself. It does seem relevant to bring up someone's comments about gun crime deaths lacking compassion, even if it's potentially too soon - His family and he don't deserve this but when will it ever end?

You wonder about the shooter, is it really going to ge a deranged "lefty" type person who strongly disagreed with his views? Time will tell.
 
He was there to debate. You might have a different opinion. He never threatened violence against you or wanted you harm.
Yet him getting probably killed you have no sympathy?

Believing that people should have the right to own a gun isn't the same as saying people have the right to murder. The same as free speach isn't the same as being able to spread hate.

Debate is one word for his 'prove me wrong' rhetoric. The guy was trash. Spewing hate for his own financial gain.

People get shot and killed all the time over there just going about their lives and not bothering anyone. I feel sorry for them, but Republicans don't give a brick as it doesn't benefit them financially or politically. I'm sure they'll be taking all the wrong lessons from today though.

 
Debate is one word for his 'prove me wrong' rhetoric. The guy was trash. Spewing hate for his own financial gain.

People get shot and killed all the time over there just going about their lives and not bothering anyone. I feel sorry for them, but Republicans don't give a brick as it doesn't benefit them financially or politically. I'm sure they'll be taking all the wrong lessons from today though.


What hate did he spew?
 
Debate is one word for his 'prove me wrong' rhetoric. The guy was trash. Spewing hate for his own financial gain.

People get shot and killed all the time over there just going about their lives and not bothering anyone. I feel sorry for them, but Republicans don't give a brick as it doesn't benefit them financially or politically. I'm sure they'll be taking all the wrong lessons from today though.

I see reports saying a lot if prominent right wingers are blaming dems for this, using the event to gin up more cross aisle hate.
 
If you can't debate your different opinions for fear of bekng killed, what then? Where do we go from here, or at least where does america go from here?
Trump being the idiot and reactionary he is will probably do something. We've seen he isn't shy of force.
This is bad. Probably real bad.

The civil war never really ended. Until it separates into two countries, it's never going to find peace.
 
The civil war never really ended. Until it separates into two countries, it's never going to find peace.

The majority were not either dems or republicans though. Either non voters or swingers (wahoo).
People are getting pushed further to either side.
Violence or destruction never helps your argument unless you destroy the other side. It just pushes people in the middle away.
 
A swift and powerful response to political violence, just like when those two Democratic lawmakers were assasinated...oh wait.

It's the relentless us vs them polarization that's creating the space for acts like these to happen.

It's deeply tragic for his family and the country, but I'm not at all surprised.
Hard to disagree with this TBH.
 
Human life is valuable. And there's a deep philosophical debate about the right to end another's life based on actions. However extra judicial killings like this are only destined to break societal consensus.

You may dislike a person. And you may feel they contributed to your suffering. But we must work to live and thrive in a system where apparatus exists where there is control and guardrails. This is anarchy.

It helps nobody imo.
 
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