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Daniel Levy - Chairman

LutonSpurs said:
Whats nonsense? What I am seeing anecdotally?These people post less when we win than when some random aggregator tells them we might miss out on a deal. They are serial doomers who seem to be get so little joy from supporting this club. I genuinely don't know what the protests are about. Levy has delivered the stadium. A major trophy. Decent squad considering our size as a club. Has seemingly invested in another top coach. Is spending money.

And the protestors want someone to come in who has more money than sense and we end up like Villa and can't buy when we really need to.
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I really don't get it with the protestors either. I mean, what the f**k are they expecting? In our entire almost 150 year history, have we ever been the biggest club in England or challenging for major trophies aside from a brief period in the 60s (and maybe you could argue the early 80s). Other than that, for the last 60 years, we've always been behind United, Liverpool and Woolwich while City and Chelsea have won the lottery and skewed the landscape further against us.

There's an economic reality here. We don't generate enough cash to genuinely compete with some of those clubs (albeit Levy's vision has closed the gap) and Levy doesn't have enough independent wealth to inject into the club. We, of course, should always aspire to be better but the measuring stick for success shouldn't be something that, barring us catching lightening in a bottle, is very, very difficult to achieve.

Unless we got some generous billionaire with a clean past, I think we have the best owners out there. To be clear, for me, they aren't immune from criticism and I'm not sure how much further forward they can bring us under their model. But I also know they won't drag us significantly downwards like many prospective owners would.

Some of the criticism on here and elsewhere is fair and well argued. However, none of it justifies protests IMO. I hope Simons gets over the line before tomorrow - will really burst the doom-mongers' bubble.
 
Grays_1890 said:
- Major Trophy
- 2nd in league
- Major Squad, Youth and infrastructure investment

Are things really protest bad? Is it healthy to keep looking back and being irate?
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I accept that most feelings are relative to your own football club, but as I said the other day if one was to do a comparative analysis to our peers (someone neutral would be best), I'm sure they would scratch their heads at what the basis or reasoning was from the naysayers once all (and this is the important bit) factual and simple logical conclusions were considered. ie not emotional feelings, SM drivel, unfounded unproven conclusions, hearsay, ITK nonsense.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I really don't get it with the protestors either. I mean, what the f**k are they expecting? In our entire almost 150 year history, have we ever been the biggest club in England or challenging for major trophies aside from a brief period in the 60s (and maybe you could argue the early 80s). Other than that, for the last 60 years, we've always been behind United, Liverpool and Woolwich while City and Chelsea have won the lottery and skewed the landscape further against us.

There's an economic reality here. We don't generate enough cash to genuinely compete with some of those clubs (albeit Levy's vision has closed the gap) and Levy doesn't have enough independent wealth to inject into the club. We, of course, should always aspire to be better but the measuring stick for success shouldn't be something that, barring us catching lightening in a bottle, is very, very difficult to achieve.

Unless we got some generous billionaire with a clean past, I think we have the best owners out there. To be clear, for me, they aren't immune from criticism and I'm not sure how much further forward they can bring us under their model. But I also know they won't drag us significantly downwards like many prospective owners would.

Some of the criticism on here and elsewhere is fair and well argued. However, none of it justifies protests IMO. I hope Simons gets over the line before tomorrow - will really burst the doom-mongers' bubble.
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DeanoAustin said:
I really don't get it with the protestors either. I mean, what the f**k are they expecting? In our entire almost 150 year history, have we ever been the biggest club in England or challenging for major trophies aside from a brief period in the 60s (and maybe you could argue the early 80s). Other than that, for the last 60 years, we've always been behind United, Liverpool and Woolwich while City and Chelsea have won the lottery and skewed the landscape further against us.

There's an economic reality here. We don't generate enough cash to genuinely compete with some of those clubs (albeit Levy's vision has closed the gap) and Levy doesn't have enough independent wealth to inject into the club. We, of course, should always aspire to be better but the measuring stick for success shouldn't be something that, barring us catching lightening in a bottle, is very, very difficult to achieve.

Unless we got some generous billionaire with a clean past, I think we have the best owners out there. To be clear, for me, they aren't immune from criticism and I'm not sure how much further forward they can bring us under their model. But I also know they won't drag us significantly downwards like many prospective owners would.

Some of the criticism on here and elsewhere is fair and well argued. However, none of it justifies protests IMO. I hope Simons gets over the line before tomorrow - will really burst the doom-mongers' bubble.
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Agree with lots of this. I think much of the discontent lies among fans of a certain age who grew up from the late 60s to the mid 80s when we were either better or at the very least as successful as Arsenal. Similar size clubs/fanbases (certainly in north and north east London/Home Counties), similar ambition and limitations. Spurs were always more glamorous, played better football and just downright sexier. Then bang: Wenger/Bergkamp/Henry and we're suddenly massively in their shadow. All while Chelsea - Chelsea! - went from massively underperforming and playing in Div 2 to 6k fans to serial domestic and European winners.

Then a younger generation with Spurs-supporting parents inherit the team but none of the moral or actual superiority. If you grew up supporting Poch-Spurs, you're also underwhelmed by the last five years. Add that to the fact that everyone loves a whinge and a spacegoat nowadays, and there you have it: a perfect storm of entitled fat blokes with a grievance, a keyboard and an inflated sense of self-importance.
 
DeanoAustin said:
I really don't get it with the protestors either. I mean, what the f**k are they expecting? In our entire almost 150 year history, have we ever been the biggest club in England or challenging for major trophies aside from a brief period in the 60s (and maybe you could argue the early 80s). Other than that, for the last 60 years, we've always been behind United, Liverpool and Woolwich while City and Chelsea have won the lottery and skewed the landscape further against us.

There's an economic reality here. We don't generate enough cash to genuinely compete with some of those clubs (albeit Levy's vision has closed the gap) and Levy doesn't have enough independent wealth to inject into the club. We, of course, should always aspire to be better but the measuring stick for success shouldn't be something that, barring us catching lightening in a bottle, is very, very difficult to achieve.

Unless we got some generous billionaire with a clean past, I think we have the best owners out there. To be clear, for me, they aren't immune from criticism and I'm not sure how much further forward they can bring us under their model. But I also know they won't drag us significantly downwards like many prospective owners would.

Some of the criticism on here and elsewhere is fair and well argued. However, none of it justifies protests IMO. I hope Simons gets over the line before tomorrow - will really burst the doom-mongers' bubble.
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Levy and Enic are clearly not without fault but when you look at the hit list of why they protest:

- We dont win things
- We dont spend
- What about Dybala
- What about Grealish
 
Have to just quickly say, I only joined this place about a week ago, but it’s nice to see that it’s actually pretty reasoned and balanced in these threads, more grey area allowed where you think two opposing things can have truth to them in different contexts rather than always black or white “he’s great” vs “he’s the devil”. Some of the other forums I’ve been on are absolutely ridiculous around this issue.
 
Rafa87 said:
Have to just quickly say, I only joined this place about a week ago, but it’s nice to see that it’s actually pretty reasoned and balanced in these threads, more grey area allowed where you think two opposing things can have truth to them in different contexts rather than always black or white “he’s great” vs “he’s the devil”. Some of the other forums I’ve been on are absolutely ridiculous around this issue.
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Your right , some forums if you say anything remotely in favour of Levy/ENIC all you get is a stream of abuse and the usual foul language.
 
Rafa87 said:
Have to just quickly say, I only joined this place about a week ago, but it’s nice to see that it’s actually pretty reasoned and balanced in these threads, more grey area allowed where you think two opposing things can have truth to them in different contexts rather than always black or white “he’s great” vs “he’s the devil”. Some of the other forums I’ve been on are absolutely ridiculous around this issue.
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I’m glad that you read and enjoy just my posts
 
Rafa87 said:
Have to just quickly say, I only joined this place about a week ago, but it’s nice to see that it’s actually pretty reasoned and balanced in these threads, more grey area allowed where you think two opposing things can have truth to them in different contexts rather than always black or white “he’s great” vs “he’s the devil”. Some of the other forums I’ve been on are absolutely ridiculous around this issue.
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Welcome.
I’d say we’re probably on balance a more Levy- appreciative place than many other social media forums (that’s not necessarily the same as being ENIC-in) but other opinions are welcome as long as they are reasoned. Please stick around.

Edit : it’s not actually for me to determine what’s “reasoned”. Make your views knows whatever they are.
 
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Glenda's Legs said:
Welcome.
I’d say we’re probably on balance a more Levy- appreciative place than many other social media forums (that’s not necessarily the same as being ENIC-in) but other opinions are welcome as long as they are reasoned. Please stick around.
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Thanks, to be fair the last forum I was on people literally just swear at each other with no real purpose or point and basically make the internet their entire personality.

I think it’s that initial balance I like, I think Levy has done a lot for this club - look at where we were when he took over, compared to now, I think the stadium and all of the infrastructure is fantastic. I do however also think there’s been a few times where we’ve taken the easy option of doing little, or doing nothing to capitalise on progress - albeit, any sane person can see we aren’t playing on the same playing field as the clubs we are competing with.

Like you say, if you reason both sides, a lot of people out there aren’t happy! Seems there is anger if you either haven’t said he’s the messiah, or said he should be in prison for neglect!
 
Rafa87 said:
Thanks, to be fair the last forum I was on people literally just swear at each other with no real purpose or point and basically make the internet their entire personality.

I think it’s that initial balance I like, I think Levy has done a lot for this club - look at where we were when he took over, compared to now, I think the stadium and all of the infrastructure is fantastic. I do however also think there’s been a few times where we’ve taken the easy option of doing little, or doing nothing to capitalise on progress - albeit, any sane person can see we aren’t playing on the same playing field as the clubs we are competing with.

Like you say, if you reason both sides, a lot of people out there aren’t happy! Seems there is anger if you either haven’t said he’s the messiah, or said he should be in prison for neglect!
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I think you replied before seeing my edit which was “ it’s not actually for me to determine what’s “reasoned”. Make your views knows whatever they are”. I think you’ve got a fair platform here to promote your opinion. But it is quite pro-Levy/ENIC (and I count myself in that) - but far from exclusively so.
 
Well, today's signing is a one of intent, definitely one that backs the manager, and it's the sort of player who really could help us with a push towards further silverware and success.
May this be more than a flash in the pan.
 
Rafa87 said:
Thanks, to be fair the last forum I was on people literally just swear at each other with no real purpose or point and basically make the internet their entire personality.

I think it’s that initial balance I like, I think Levy has done a lot for this club - look at where we were when he took over, compared to now, I think the stadium and all of the infrastructure is fantastic. I do however also think there’s been a few times where we’ve taken the easy option of doing little, or doing nothing to capitalise on progress - albeit, any sane person can see we aren’t playing on the same playing field as the clubs we are competing with.

Like you say, if you reason both sides, a lot of people out there aren’t happy! Seems there is anger if you either haven’t said he’s the messiah, or said he should be in prison for neglect!
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Polarisation Rafa
 
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