Eberechi Eze

[glasgowspur]

When Maddison got injured 2 weeks ago and people started bricking the bed (maybe including our recruitment team)

I'm not Maddison's biggest fan but I'm not convinced that Eze is a big upgrade.
It's maybe harsh on him but this just all feels a bit Zaha to me.

 

[Mosquito_Coasting]

Zaha was also a quality player.

 

[thfcsteff]

I'm not Maddison's biggest fan but I'm not convinced that Eze is a big upgrade.
It's maybe harsh on him but this just all feels a bit Zaha to me.

I think there are two truths to this whole thing.
We might yer end up with players who actually suit what Frank wants to do more than Eze.
We have allowed ourselves to be seen, once again, as 'fudging up' in the transfer market - this time with the added sting of the goons being involved.

I'd have loved him and can see that there are players which suit Frank's system better.
I agree with those who say let's see what's up at the start of September...

 

[Gutter Boy]

Chelsea are in for Garnacho and Simons right? We might sign the one they don’t. Both on hefty wages I guess.

Or we could go for a less established player. Tomorrows star.

Garnacho's attitude stinks out even Old Trafford and Simons has been a shell of himself since that injury. I wouldn't got near either of those at the moment.

 

[glasgowspur]

You do realise good players producing decent numbers at lower level teams have their numbers go up? Look at how Rice has improved at them.

There's no dressing it up to make us feel better, he's a quality player. Otherwise we should be worried about Kudus if we just take numbers for what they did at their previous club...

Rice was supposed to be the missing piece, the guy to get them over the line.
The player that pushed them past city.
City had a huge collapse and arsenal still couldn't get the job done.
Rice has improved them, but you should not be paying £100m plus to be second best.

 

[harr1984]

Rice was supposed to be the missing piece, the guy to get them over the line.
The player that pushed them past city.
City had a huge collapse and arsenal still couldn't get the job done.
Rice has improved them, but you should not be paying £100m plus to be second best.

I was using Rice as an example of a player who has stepped up at a bigger club, Ezes numbers will improve playing with better players just as his numbers would have improved here.

As for what you say, I think the striker was always the missing piece in the jigsaw but Rice has definitely improved them. I think their issue is the manager, until they get rid of him they won't win the league. With all they've spent under him it's criminal we have won the same number of trophies as them under his tenure and even that one was when he was still caretaker of memory serves....

 

[Muttley]

Also, Levy is a top negotiator. How do you know it didn't get done because he did delegate this time?

For me, Levy and his staff are top vendors. They negotiates pretty well when selling one of our big players. They just seems awful at other side of the equation....buying players. They are 2 very different things.

It always feels like a Levy regime treats buying like a game of chess. They operate like there is only one winner as opposed to trying to create conditions where all parties win and there is quid pro quo. That is what sales is. Levy has been caught publicly reneging on verbal agreements that have been made around the negotiation table as well. You never do that in sales. It also feels like THFC spend way too much time on every last little clause of the agreement so that all big deals procrastinate. I swear that most other clubs just agree to what it takes to close the deal and then cleans it all up in a new player contract in the next cycle.

What it feels like most cases is that THFC seem to suck the life out of everyone involved and they just retreat from THFC or another club comes in to get the booty. Other clubs don't like dealing with THFC.

We've seen mass changes over the years but for me there are only 2 common denominators - Levy and Collecott. It feels like these 2 finance oriented guys need a round of fecks once in a while from the more "salesy" people on the team. They need to stop analysing the sales conditions and start closing deals and quicker. We all have 20 years of smoke on this one.

 

[glasgowspur]

I think there are two truths to this whole thing.
We might yer end up with players who actually suit what Frank wants to do more than Eze.
We have allowed ourselves to be seen, once again, as 'fudging up' in the transfer market - this time with the added sting of the goons being involved.

I'd have loved him and can see that there are players which suit Frank's system better.
I agree with those who say let's see what's up at the start of September...

The fans enable us to be seen as fudging up.
A deal was apparently agreed, we can't force anyone to sign it, if it's agreed why wasn't it signed, it can only be because they didn't want to.
That's not on the club and tbh if the deal is agreed and the seller or the player is dragging their heels we should walk away.
If we had walked away them levy is accused of being cheap.
I don't blame the club, I have no beef with palace or Eze, they are all doing what's best for them, but our fans, jeez.

 

[Gutter Boy]

I was using Rice as an example of a player who has stepped up at a bigger club, Ezes numbers will improve playing with better players just as his numbers would have improved here.

As for what you say, I think the striker was always the missing piece in the jigsaw but Rice has definitely improved them. I think their issue is the manager, until they get rid of him they won't win the league. With all they've spent under him it's criminal we have won the same number of trophies as them under his tenure and even that one was when he was still caretaker of memory serves....

Rice was quite a lot younger when he moved. Eze will seem better because he'll be around better players, but individually he's reached his peak now

 

[SpurMeUp]

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying TBH.
The situation is not even 'ITK' at this point or any of that nonsense. We had a deal in place. The player had agreed personal terms. Some shenanegans went on between Parrish and Levy re: add-ons.

This is your image of things or you were on this call? Where is the certainty you have about this coming from? Your bias or that’s how we always do it?

We didn't close the deal as we would've. Arsenal lost Havertz and decided they needed to take this opportunity. Because we hadn't closed the deal they were able to. As I understand it, Eze isn't getting paid any more by the goons than we were prepared to pay him, the only difference in the deals struck is that the Goons said 'yes' to what Parrish wanted without pause.

Maybe. But it doesn’t quite stack up. Reports were we agreed a deal. And the goons are paying 10m more.

Look, maybe Parrish was playing a game with Levy,

Of course. Who would t get the best deal for their club from their prized asset. I’d assume they were briefing the goons all the way along, and anyone else who had an interest. Wouldn’t you?

but the facts appear to be that there was a lot of dingdongering around with the add-ons and we didn't find settlement.
I have absolutely no doubt that both Eze and his agent/agency were fully aware of every sniff the goons were making, but there is nothing to suggest that we could not have closed the deal because the player/agent would've obstructed it.

The is nothing to suggest the converse either! Apart from bias and hackneyed narratives.

One question for you. How do you define this situation as us being 'opportunistic'? Surely the only way that works is if we take advantage of the opportunity?

Essentially your and others beef is we are opportunistic with transfers. We won’t just slap the cash down and be done with it. Instead we will look for value.

In this instance, once it looked like the goons (or anyone else) weren’t interested in Eze anymore we had a free run at this deal. Once the goons came in and offered 10m more we probably stepped away.

There are other players. And it’s not like we lost a deposit or the cash. We will spend it on the right player. If that means holding onto the cash and giving more resources to Frank in the future that is not a terrible thing either. Frank still needs to see how these current players shake down for him. How will Tel evolve? Does Odobert have a role to play? Can he step up in the limelight? How players perform in the side on match day can be different to how they look in training.

 

[glasgowspur]

I was using Rice as an example of a player who has stepped up at a bigger club, Ezes numbers will improve playing with better players just as his numbers would have improved here.

As for what you say, I think the striker was always the missing piece in the jigsaw but Rice has definitely improved them. I think their issue is the manager, until they get rid of him they won't win the league. With all they've spent under him it's criminal we have won the same number of trophies as them under his tenure and even that one was when he was still caretaker of memory serves....

Has his performances stepped up?
I think they will miss partey more than they would miss Rice tbh.
Totally agree on Arteta, part of me thinks he has knicked Eze to get the fans back onside.
That's a quick high that could wear off very quickly.

 

[Lemonade Money]

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying TBH.
The situation is not even 'ITK' at this point or any of that nonsense. We had a deal in place. The player had agreed personal terms. Some shenanegans went on between Parrish and Levy re: add-ons. We didn't close the deal as we would've. Arsenal lost Havertz and decided they needed to take this opportunity. Because we hadn't closed the deal they were able to. As I understand it, Eze isn't getting paid any more by the goons than we were prepared to pay him, the only difference in the deals struck is that the Goons said 'yes' to what Parrish wanted without pause. Look, maybe Parrish was playing a game with Levy, but the facts appear to be that there was a lot of dingdongering around with the add-ons and we didn't find settlement.
I have absolutely no doubt that both Eze and his agent/agency were fully aware of every sniff the goons were making, but there is nothing to suggest that we could not have closed the deal because the player/agent would've obstructed it.

One question for you. How do you define this situation as us being 'opportunistic'? Surely the only way that works is if we take advantage of the opportunity?

All of that is based on ITK though? You don't actually know, but you're making out you do.

Also, what about this scenario:

Parrish asks for unreasonable add ons.
Levy and Parrish take a week to agree on add ons that we deem acceptable.
Arsenal come in, and Parrish says, this is what we've agreed with Spurs.
Arsenal say, that's seems acceptable.

See, its easy to make brick up to suit any agenda.

 

[thfcsteff]

He won't start ahead of Odegaard and is a moderate upgrade on Martinelli

He will allow them quality rotation in two areas. But I agree with the overall point. Again, I won't back away from how much I love him as a player AND I can also see that Frank will be attacking/creating with a more 'muscular' approach than the traditional maverick 10 style I grew up with/love.

 

[thfcsteff]

Garnacho's attitude stinks out even Old Trafford and Simons has been a shell of himself since that injury. I wouldn't got near either of those at the moment.

...we are delighted to announce (fill the gap with either) ...in all seriousness, I cannot think Frank would stand for it.

 

[glasgowspur]

He will allow them quality rotation in two areas. But I agree with the overall point. Again, I won't back away from how much I love him as a player AND I can also see that Frank will be attacking/creating with a more 'muscular' approach than the traditional maverick 10 style I grew up with/love.

Isn't that what they said about trossard.
Eze is better than trossard, but not hugely IMHO.
Not enough to turn them into PL or CL champions.

 

[Yiddo]

Had we agreed a fee? Was he coming for a medical? Didn’t think so.

 

[thfcsteff]

All of that is based on ITK though? You don't actually know, but you're making out you do.

Also, what about this scenario:

Parrish asks for unreasonable add ons.
Levy and Parrish take a week to agree on add ons that we deem acceptable.
Arsenal come in, and Parrish says, this is what we've agreed with Spurs.
Arsenal say, that's seems acceptable.

See, its easy to make brick up to suit any agenda.

All good my friend.
Just ignore me when you see that as the case and don't ignore me when you don't. I WILL agree that the ONLY people who REALLY know are Parrish and Levy, so in that sense, and ONLY that sense, I cannot argue with the first part of what you said in bold type above.

p.s. How much were those add-ons? 7 million? Which means we could not agree on how to divvy up/out 7 millions in add-ons. I'm not sure how what you've said differs from what I said. Not that I'm especially concerned in fairness. We are where we are. You either see a duck or a cheated lion.

Anyway, after the uncomfortable blip of winning a trophy, we should celebrate apparently 'having our Tottenham back' in all it's transfer window glory...hey, we might smash a record and get Frank who he wants, but you'll forgive me if I don't bet on it at this point, rather than just enjoy the ride!

 

[Muttley]

There are other players. And it’s not like we lost a deposit or the cash. We will spend it on the right player. If that means holding onto the cash and giving more resources to Frank in the future that is not a terrible thing either. Frank still needs to see how these current players shake down for him. How will Tel evolve? Does Odobert have a role to play? Can he step up in the limelight? How players perform in the side on match day can be different to how they look in training.

It's what I've been beating the drum on and just wrote on the other thread. Realistically the most similar player to MGW is Rogers at Villa. No doubt, our club has done the due diligence there and come to the conclusion that it's a no goer. The 23 year old is their prized asset and contracted until 2030. So we'd be thinking £80m+.

So unless we identify a player that can operate as a top 4 player and is gettable in 10 days then we should all relax.

As I said above, I'm more worried about our recruitment team again. They don't seem to be able to close a door and we've been at this place so many times in our recent history.

One final thought. Perhaps there is a Palhinha equivalent for the 10 position where we can leverage the loan system if there isn't a purchase option.

 

[thfcsteff]

For me, Levy and his staff are top vendors. They negotiates pretty well when selling one of our big players. They just seems awful at other side of the equation....buying players. They are 2 very different things.

It always feels like a Levy regime treats buying like a game of chess. They operate like there is only one winner as opposed to trying to create conditions where all parties win and there is quid pro quo. That is what sales is. Levy has been caught publicly reneging on verbal agreements that have been made around the negotiation table as well. You never do that in sales. It also feels like THFC spend way too much time on every last little clause of the agreement so that all big deals procrastinate. I swear that most other clubs just agree to what it takes to close the deal and then cleans it all up in a new player contract in the next cycle.

What it feels like most cases is that THFC seem to suck the life out of everyone involved and they just retreat from THFC or another club comes in to get the booty. Other clubs don't like dealing with THFC.

We've seen mass changes over the years but for me there are only 2 common denominators - Levy and Collecott. It feels like these 2 finance oriented guys need a round of fecks once in a while from the more "salesy" people on the team. They need to stop analysing the sales conditions and start closing deals and quicker. We all have 20 years of smoke on this one.

Agreed!!!...it makes me more grateful every day that we got Kudus sorted.

 

[Gazza Dazzla]

Sounds like we got played by Palace, Eze and Scum. Palace even used Paratici to broker a deal for El Khanouss. It's fudging foul, but no law against it, I suppose.

I don't know. I dreamed I had a pet polar bear and a tiger, and woke up quite happy. This isn't the end of the world. Would we really want a gooner in our squad? Nah. fudge him and fudge them.

Now, on to the next.

Yep this one stings, Palace and Eze clearly just stringing us along for a week or so.