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So of course, now that Starmer has allowed the left-wing mob in the party to humiliate the "iron Chancellor" and leave her the "crying chamcellor" UK bond yields are going through the roof because nobody internationally believes that there is anyone in government that is actually going to reign in all these commitments to spending uplifts.....

....incidentally I've just seen Aaron Bastani's name against a hatchet job article in the Torygraph of all places basically saying Starmer won't last the year as PM.....one of the weirdest things I've come across in recent politics....
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
So of course, now that Starmer has allowed the left-wing mob in the party to humiliate the "iron Chancellor" and leave her the "crying chamcellor" UK bond yields are going through the roof because nobody internationally believes that there is anyone in government that is actually going to reign in all these commitments to spending uplifts.....

....incidentally I've just seen Aaron Bastani's name against a hatchet job article in the Torygraph of all places basically saying Starmer won't last the year as PM.....one of the weirdest things I've come across in recent politics....
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Bastani in the Telegraph is nuts.

Also I think Reeves and Starmer have suffered from being duplicitous. They have reneged on so many promises. They've abandoned the most needy in a desperate bid to be blairites on steroids. They haven't recognised the sentiment in their own party and in the population.

You can't blame the left of the party for that. The left of the party is all that is left of what Labour actually stands for.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
So of course, now that Starmer has allowed the left-wing mob in the party to humiliate the "iron Chancellor" and leave her the "crying chamcellor" UK bond yields are going through the roof because nobody internationally believes that there is anyone in government that is actually going to reign in all these commitments to spending uplifts.....

....incidentally I've just seen Aaron Bastani's name against a hatchet job article in the Torygraph of all places basically saying Starmer won't last the year as PM.....one of the weirdest things I've come across in recent politics....
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Only way out of this - raise capital gains tax to the same level as income tax. And also put the top rate of income tax back to 50%
 
LutonSpurs said:
Bastani in the Telegraph is nuts.

Also I think Reeves and Starmer have suffered from being duplicitous. They have reneged on so many promises. They've abandoned the most needy in a desperate bid to be blairites on steroids. They haven't recognised the sentiment in their own party and in the population.

You can't blame the left of the party for that. The left of the party is all that is left of what Labour actually stands for.
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I think Bastani and the Telegraph linking up to savage Starmer is just a symptom of how this government has basically managed to just tinkle 90% of people off in its first year.

And you're right, I refer to them as the mob disingenuously because I disagree with their politics but ultimately as you say this comes down to:
- Starmer convinced Corbyn to go with "second EU referendum" on the manifesto in 2019 and it was a f***ing disaster, only to frame Corbyn for the failure.
- He then pretended he'd keep the bulk of his manifesto if he won the leadership only to throw it in the bin.
- He went from "remain will be on the ballot box" speech to "we will not join the SM and customs union on my watch"
- He went from "i'm liberal left wing and socialist" to the politician most closely compared to Enoch fu**ing Powell in modern British history with his "island of strangers" speech likely to go down in right-wing folklore.
- He went from railing against "tory sleeze" to publically maxing the expenses budget and scrounging the most freebies he could as soon as he made it to office. Not to mention giving his largest donor the keys to Parliament and having half the cabinet seemingly stay at his flat - f**king weird.
- He's supposedly a long time friend of Reeves so just on a personal level to allow that absolute humiliation to happen today where Badenoch is able to literally point out publically how unwilling he is to properly back her across the dispatch box .....that shows the f**king duplicitous nature of the guy and the complete lack of empathy.
- The guy is literally the most slimey, self-centred, narcissistic, u-turning, back-stabbing sh*t-show of a politician we've had in office.
 
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LutonSpurs said:
They do deserve to be punished. For trespassing and criminal damage. Not terrorism. This proscription is a reach legally and the courts will need to make a judgment in my view.
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Exactly. Who was terrorised? If this is terrorism, then the word has lost its meaning. Throw it in with the rest of the 'words that have lost their meaning' bucket with woke and socialism. Criminalising non-violent protests is proper authoritarian BS, and the UK has gone way too far down that road already.
 
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SpiderSpurs said:
Is it fcuk.

They breached a military base and caused damage to a plane - they deserve the harshest penalty available and now thanks to this bill they'll get it.
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Back in the day I served on army bases in the UK & abroad if & that's a big fudging if they managed to get on base they would have been very close to being shot.

I don't think it's terrorism but they were bloody stupid to do it & should face the concequences. Not a slap on the wrist that won't deter others from doing the same thing.

My question is how the hell did they get on base in the first place. That's the question that needs answering
 
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markysimmo said:
Are you honestly surprised in any way shape or form ??
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Well no, but reality clearly dawning on the Labour benches that they won their seats by default at the last election as people were sick of the tories. They're staring at the barrels of Reform on one side and SNP, Greens and Lib Dems on the other.....the two main parties have finally eaten themselves.
 
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