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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

glorygloryeze said:
The bias of not being able to see clearly genocidal actions and instead describe such as simply "legitimate military actions".
For example, asking millions of civilians to relocate to specific areas "for their safety" and then hitting those same areas with bombs is clearly wicked and genocidal and NOT simply "legitimate military actions" - unless those "legitimate military actions" include killing as many people who live in Palestinian lands as possible so Israelis can move in and replace them...

I agree with you that Israel won't achieve those aims, in fact i think "Zionism" is dying on its feet. A one-state solution where people of ALL religious persuasions and ethnicities have equal rights is in fact what will likely happen from here imo
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I do not see the actions as "clearly genocidal". What evidence have you got that Israel have asked "millions of civilians to relocate to specific areas....and then hitting those areas with bombs" in a deliberately wicked and genocidal manner?
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
One state solution would require both sets of people to feel safe in that environment which isnt going to happen. Two state solution the only go-forward, as with NI.
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I agree that would be a start. The problem is Israeli's especially the right won't allow that to happen. Unless they were forced into it can you see that happening
 
kb 1984 said:
I agree that would be a start. The problem is Israeli's especially the right won't allow that to happen. Unless they were forced into it can you see that happening
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Yes and as I've said on here we do need to force the issue - the US and western allies need to make future support for Israel conditional on no more settlers, two state solution, international and Israel recognition of Palestine and significant investment in Palestine and open access to all holy sites.
 
johnola said:
Yeah it’s politics. People limp on. She’s hardly guilty of incompetence or unacceptability like we have seen from PMs in the last five years.
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I don't think many will agree with you. Remember her lies about being an economist...

johnola said:
She’s a target, she’s a woman,
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Oh sod off with that shiite.

johnola said:
she’s trying to make the countries ends meet but nobody apart from people like me can accept it because they have been living beyond their means.
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She's making a huge fcuking mess of things, fcuking huge.

People like you are clearly fcuking deluded.
 
SpiderSpurs said:
I don't think many will agree with you. Remember her lies about being an economist...


Oh sod off with that shiite.


She's making a huge fcuking mess of things, fcuking huge.

People like you are clearly fcuking deluded.
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She is an economist she did a Masters degree in economics at LSE

People like me as in not party affiliated ?

The next person and the ten after that will have to do the same job, restrict spending and increase taxes.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
One state solution would require both sets of people to feel safe in that environment which isnt going to happen. Two state solution the only go-forward, as with NI.
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Silly McSilly Face said:
Yes and as I've said on here we do need to force the issue - the US and western allies need to make future support for Israel conditional on no more settlers, two state solution, international and Israel recognition of Palestine and significant investment in Palestine and open access to all holy sites.
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I was surprised someone was proposing a one state solution as the two state solution is a pipe dream with Netanyahu in place. He's been in place for so long it's obvious he has zero interest in that as a solution.

Furthermore, that observation is so obvious it puts all western countries that favour that solution (two state) in a shameful contradictory position. Supplying much of what Netanyahu requires to achieve his goal, a goal they do not share.
 
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Silly McSilly Face said:
Yes and as I've said on here we do need to force the issue - the US and western allies need to make future support for Israel conditional on no more settlers, two state solution, international and Israel recognition of Palestine and significant investment in Palestine and open access to all holy sites.
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And 1967 borders. The Yitzhak Rabin deal that so nearly solved this all 30 years ago.
 
SpiderSpurs said:
I don't think you fully understand.


You are CLEARLY a labour supporter - there's no doubt it.


Right, ok...
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I am disappointed in there continued protection of the public sector at the expense of the working classes.

In my opinion until a government fundamentally reviews public spending g and in particular, unfunded public sector pensions, then fiscal policy wil only ever have a marginal impact on me.

You just play the person, “she’s awful”, “you should go away”, nobody can learn from you.
 
johnola said:
I am disappointed in there continued protection of the public sector at the expense of the working classes.

In my opinion until a government fundamentally reviews public spending g and in particular, unfunded public sector pensions, then fiscal policy wil only ever have a marginal impact on me.

You just play the person, “she’s awful”, “you should go away”, nobody can learn from you.
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Didn't deny being a blinkered labour supporter - as I thought.

You're dense pal. Interacting with you is sooo fcuking tedious. 👋
 
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Gutter Boy said:
This feels a bit Mary Whitehouse. Like when Robin of Sherwood was going to cause the downfall of civilisation due to its blasphemy and gratuitous violence (available now as a PG)
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I think this is an abuse of counter terrorism laws. Counter terrorism powers allow short-cuts by law enforcement which is a risk in terms of abuse of power and infringement of human rights but balanced against the need to move quickly and decisively to protect the public from terrorists. Starmer knows these laws as an ex DPP and he's intent on abusing them.

They threw a load of paint on some planes - i'm pretty sure if they were a real terrorist organisation suddenly finding themselves with free reign inside a British military installation they'd have done a lot more - most pathetic attempt at a terrorist attack ever! The real question for the government is how they managed to get in there unchallenged in the first place - embarrassing.
 
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