Those are lovely (but naive) aspirations.
For many, simply teaching them to read the safety signs on a building site and not die in their first week on the job is a challenge
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For many, simply teaching them to read the safety signs on a building site and not die in their first week on the job is a challenge
ricky2tricky4city
Nayim
Probably better off putting it on the lock screen of their phone
glasgowspur
Colin Calderwood
AI can't fix your overflowing toilet, mend the wiring in your wonky kettle, plaster your wall where the bath has leaked or service your combi boiler.
All jobs that if the cost of hiring anyone to do them is anything to go by there's a shortage of them.
If there's a shortage of them why aren't we training people to do them.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Because our gig economy means Slovaks and Uzbeks will do them for well under minimum wage, so others cant make a living from those trades
Was chatting to an ashfelter the other day. His son was in college training to be a roofer. 3 in his class. When we have 3 million economically inactive 18-24 year olds. Guessing it's similar for other trades.
glasgowspur
Colin Calderwood
If our kids are choosing minimum wage bar to fund a uni place with no job prospects over a job at £60 an hour plus then they deserve all they get.
And if we were willing to do those jobs there would be no need for the Slovak or uzbeks to either come over here or an opportunity to charge what they do.
We are willing to do these jobs. But can't afford to do them for less than minimum wage.
Grays_1890
Gary Stevens
I agree to an extent for those with the aptitude for it, but for those who don't there needs to be a plan B, continuing with a a one size fits all solution to kids from varying backgrounds and vary levels of ability in the hope they learn and flourish to some varying degree in a test, test, test environment. I think inner city kids from hard and broken backgrounds as an example, have a better chance, post school, if they are taught life skills, how to cook, the value of food, money a credit score, money management, work, the value of health, opportunities that exists for them outside a traditional.
There is zero value in trying to force a second language and advanced sciences/maths onto a kid from a broken home in South London in the hope that something sticks.......
Our approach to education, health and social care for kids and upwards is so archaic IMO
Grays_1890
Gary Stevens
I had a look today into that and there is, there is training, high paid training and fast track training available is multiple sectors. My two local train companies (C2C and Anglia) are putting out almost weekly plees online and in the local rag (yep still a thing) and they just can't get the uptake despite a promise of 60k+ post training salary which is alot more than I was on in my 20s, I think despite the populous idea that all empty jobs are being undercut by cheap labour, I think Covid has played a massive part in working trends and just like anything, jobs come in and out of fashion.
Schools need to do more. Not the greatest academically. Here is a technical college to go to at 16.
The courses have to be decent though. Not 6 week courses that are a waste of everyones time.
Grays_1890
Gary Stevens
I think by the time kids have their subjects split and the testing before then you know who is going to do what, I think by 14 you can have classes split between traditional education for those who clearly have the flair for education and more technical life lead lessons for those that don't and or a mix of both.
The idea all kids learn and respond to the same kind of education, that even in the modern world the testing methods and pressure is still even relevant to some extent really astounds me.
Yes it would take massive reform but something do need massive reform as the times change
Anyway thats solved education (joke before people jump on it)
COYS
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ricky2tricky4city
Nayim
That's not really true.
It is. Or at least it was. They'd use "agency" that were paid abroad to get round the rules. Brexit closed some of the loopholes.
ricky2tricky4city
Nayim
They're will always be some of that. Gangs for construction will always have some low paid positions. And it's no different than the pick up points scattered round London for casual/temp labour.
Most of those jobs Glasgow mentioned are skilled and sparks and gas certificated. All the trades from the continent I know are charging similar to UK guys (especially once established) and even if 20% cheaper nowhere near minimum wage. Plenty doing 50-75k pa easily.
Silly McSilly Face
Ramon Vega
Credit where its due, despite an element of US and Indian trade deals being worked on for a number of years now, Jonathan Reynolds clearly doing a sterling job in his remit of trade secretary in getting these over the line. The US deal in particular is HUGE.
glasgowspur
Colin Calderwood
What jobs?
If you can find a plumber, joiner, spark or any other tradesman doing a job fir minimum wage give them my number, I've a brick load of work they can do.
SSorry about the bold, too many beers!
As i said brexit closed a lot of the loopholes. Now though it seems indians/pakistanis have started taking over the role. Good luck if you want to employ them though.
Craig_J
Tim Sherwood
I didn’t realise you were running
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Or you could back those kids and they become deputy prime ministers