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I cant understand why people get so worked up about others personal lives, I've no problem with men and women competing in sport as they do in life and as in life women will struggle to be treated as equals. A lot of young girls will struggle to get the opportunity to play in mixed sports and there may need to be an age based system as a gateway.
 

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Robert De Niro’s daughter comes out as transgender in first ever public interview​

Robert De Niro’s daughter Airyn has come out as transgender in a new interview.
In an interview published on Tuesday, the A-lister’s daughter, Airyn revealed her transition while opening up about what it’s like to be one of his seven children.
Her mother, actress Toukie Smith, shares Airyn and twin brother Julian with the 81-year-old Oscar winner.

There’s a difference between being visible and being seen,” Airyn, 29, told Them. “I’ve been visible. I don’t think I’ve been seen yet.”
I was always told I was too much of something or not enough of something growing up: Too big, not skinny enough. Not Black enough, not white enough. Too feminine, not masculine enough,” she shared. “It was never just, ‘You’re just right, just the way you are.’ ”

“I think a big part of [my transition] is also the influence Black women have had on me,” she explained. “I think stepping into this new identity, while also being more proud of my Blackness, makes me feel closer to them in some way.”
She went on to reveal that watching Halle Bailey’s starring turn in The Little Mermaid in 2023 had a huge impact on her and her decision to live life as her authentic self.

Airyn also opened up about being raised by De Niro, hitting back at the nepo baby label many children of A-list stars are given. l wasn’t brought up having a side part in one of dad’s movies or going to business meetings or attending premieres. My dad was very big on us finding our own sort of path … I would want [success] to happen on my own merit.
Obviously, no parent is perfect, but I am grateful that both my parents agreed to keep me out of the limelight,” she said of her mother and father. “They have told me they wanted me to have as much of a normal childhood as possible.”

When quizzed about coming out at the age of 29 and not earlier, Airyn added: “I’m like, ‘You know what? Maybe it’s not too late for me. Maybe I can start.’”

Copied & pasted from article published on news.com.au today. I hope this encourages more trans people to come out
 
Grays_1890 said:
Its the correct decision in whats a massively over complicated subject.
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Especially in a contact sport like football. What’s the saying about democracy being the worst form of government except for all the others? I feel like giving trans people their own category in sports is the equivalent of that. It’s not 100% fair but it’s fairer than any other solution.
 
I 100% support people who identify as trans being able to do so and think if you do meet someone who says they identify in some way that it’s common courtesy to refer to them by their identity

I don’t buy the thing about wokeism being something which is forced upon anyone . I think some of the older generation (including a couple of my relatives) kind of think it’s this great undue burden to get it right when really if you get it wrong people will be understanding and used to it

Not to mention how often do you actually meet trans people? If anyone does not approve then no worries. This is probably going to be a very brief interaction

But also I don’t actually feel like I use the words “he” or “she” that often. There’s so many other ways to construct sentences that if your in doubt you never have to use them

I do completely recognise anyone who’s transitioning or non binary for who they are and the validation of it

However when it comes to spot I feel it’s extremely difficult not to have advantage of you transition from man to woman

I have no idea how effective the testerone reducing drigs are but you can never change the bone density or the height. I think there’s very much a disproportionate amount of male-female athletes, boxers etc… compared to trans community. which is testament on its own to the advantage gained
 
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K.D.D.D.D.Soc said:
I cant understand why people get so worked up about others personal lives, I've no problem with men and women competing in sport as they do in life and as in life women will struggle to be treated as equals. A lot of young girls will struggle to get the opportunity to play in mixed sports and there may need to be an age based system as a gateway.
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I guess another thing hypothetically is should women transitioning to men get to compete? Honestly I don’t know one example of the top of my head who has. I don’t know it would ever be viable for a woman > man to compete

But if one did - should they be allowed to compete? It could it be seen as a little cruel and exclusionary to trans women? I don’t know myself
 
Craig_J said:
I guess another thing hypothetically is should women transitioning to men get to compete? Honestly I don’t know one example of the top of my head who has. I don’t know it would ever be viable for a woman > man to compete

But if one did - should they be allowed to compete? It could it be seen as a little cruel and exclusionary to trans women? I don't know myself
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This is the only one I can find & I don't think many would fudge with him

www.foxsports.com.au

Historic Aussie star Ellia Green lost his love for rugby. Then he found it again — at a suburban game

This historic Aussie star lost his love for rugby. Then he found it again — at a suburban game
www.foxsports.com.au www.foxsports.com.au
 
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Craig_J said:
I guess another thing hypothetically is should women transitioning to men get to compete? Honestly I don’t know one example of the top of my head who has. I don’t know it would ever be viable for a woman > man to compete

But if one did - should they be allowed to compete? It could it be seen as a little cruel and exclusionary to trans women? I don’t know myself
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I don't believe anyone should be excluded from an organisation due to their gender, age, race, disability or (forgive me) religion, if they are good enough to do the job. The only problems I see is in changing rooms and toilet areas where both the dominant genders do not want to share.
 
Trans women remind me a bit of cyclists. They are a minority that people get het up about way out of proportion with their prevalence. And when you actually meet them in person they are usually quite nice.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Trans women remind me a bit of cyclists. They are a minority that people get het up about way out of proportion with their prevalence. And when you actually meet them in person they are usually quite nice.
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I haven’t met one I didn’t like, although I’m sure there are (like any group of humans) a proportion who are unpleasant.

Sort of irrelevant, though, when it comes to whether they should be allowed to compete in women’s sports, or have access to women’s private spaces.
 
Mikey10 said:
I haven’t met one I didn’t like, although I’m sure there are (like any group of humans) a proportion who are unpleasant.

Sort of irrelevant, though, when it comes to whether they should be allowed to compete in women’s sports, or have access to women’s private spaces.
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So do you believe women who have transitioned like the story above shouldn't be allowed to play mens sport.

What if the women are happy for the men who have transitioned to play do we override them & say no.
 
I dont think there's actually many people who believe that someone who has gone through puberty as male should be able to play contact or competitive female sports. That's actually the easy one - there's overwhelming scientific reasons on grounds of safety and fairness.

The toilets issue though is much more subjective. The funny thing for all the TERFs though is the consequence of the recent court case is going to be the mass conversion to unisex toilets, so a 50 fold increase of men going into their loos.
 
Gutter Boy said:
I dont think there's actually many people who believe that someone who has gone through puberty as male should be able to play contact or competitive female sports. That's actually the easy one - there's overwhelming scientific reasons on grounds of safety and fairness.

The toilets issue though is much more subjective. The funny thing for all the TERFs though is the consequence of the recent court case is going to be the mass conversion to unisex toilets, so a 50 fold increase of men going into their loos.
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‘TERFs’…lol.
 
kb 1984 said:
So do you believe women who have transitioned like the story above shouldn't be allowed to play mens sport.

What if the women are happy for the men who have transitioned to play do we override them & say no.
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Its multifaceted

People should be allowed to be who they feel they want to be as long as they don't hurt other people, so if a man thinks he is a woman or gets turned on dressing up as a woman, as long as its not problematic to others or harmful then more props to them. The issue is, people have an irrational care about this stuff and or an irrational fear..........similar to the poster on here who said "I feel unsafe round people who look different to me".

When it comes to sports I think its more nuanced and I do believe the science has to play a part but more importantly, its down to women to articulate what they feel and think and for that to be listened to.

I am a strong believer that women have for too long been told to be quiet and thats only recently relaxed with them finding their voices, we shouldn't now after such a short period of that turn round and say "women keep quiet" again
 
kb 1984 said:
So do you believe women who have transitioned like the story above shouldn't be allowed to play mens sport.

What if the women are happy for the men who have transitioned to play do we override them & say no.
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(A) Yes, that’s correct.

(B) I haven’t heard that argument advanced much by female participants in the field of elite competitive sport. And the matter should ultimately be decided, anyhow, on questions of fairness and safety.
 
Mikey10 said:
(A) Yes, that’s correct.

(B) I haven’t heard that argument advanced much by female participants in the field of elite competitive sport. And the matter should ultimately be decided, anyhow, on questions of fairness and safety.
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A why if a gay men's team accepts you the competition accepts you the clubs your playing accepts you. Who are we to say sorry you can't play. this isn't him playing for Australia or even 1st grade

B this isn't elite sport this is amatuer sport were you'd be lucky to find changing rooms. My daughter plays rugby league half the team are gay & they would except & welcome a trans player as the rules don't bar them from playing unless it's changed in recent times
As for safety I have watched them play none hold back people get injured & hurt all the time

who are we to tell people what they can or can't do when it's not affecting us
 
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