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Victimpool FC - Klopp leaving, grown men crying

It was reported the permanent fee was agreed

Gold - 'Then there was a huge transfer fee which would have blown our budget for several years.'

Several years worth of budget? Even if £17m was made up, I cant imagine it was that far off of a few years budget for a club of West Hams stature.

Ive given it some credibility (some) because it was consistently reported and supported by the clubs owners.
 
I'm not denying there was some kind of a deal to buy him next summer or at least have first refusal - but the fee is a thumb-suck, imho - one that would have been revised/updated at the very least should the above scenario unfold.

Could have been 22m for all we know. The exact amount was never supported by the club owners as you've suggested above (much like all these figures about Modric have never been officially confirmed by neither club) - they simply made reference to a massive amount and the rest was 2+2=5
 
Would it be fair to say its in the ball park? Especially as they were so consistently reported.

And in a post merely speculating about how Liverpool might raise cash

nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
Carroll to West Ham was agreed at £18m wasnt it?

Young, promising, England intl - in this day of inflated prices I can see them getting that for him.
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You see my point was never that it was a certified absolute figure, I asked a question and expanded to suggest I think that value was achievable.

Is it really worth so much effort? Are you that desperate to try and score points off of me?
 
Greg said:
Most pointless argument ever.
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Most are on here :lol:

Though I am not sure you confidence in him signing is entirely well placed.

Ive no doubt his preference is Saudi Sportswashing Machine, but if (only for example) Spurs offered more money than you for him and Liverpool agreed that price his nerve may not hold. He is making his way into the England squad, can he afford to sit out a season?

Also, Spurs are currently a pretty attractive proposition. Even if not his top preference he may be interested...

Aside form that, why do your lot want him? With Cisse and Ba, and seemingly a preference for one striker - where/how does he fit? Seems he would be swapping Liverpools bench for yours.
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
Is it really worth so much effort? Are you that desperate to try and score points off of me?
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Not at all - I merely pointed out if anything - there was a loan deal with an option to buy while the fee was never confirmed officialy - you then jumped on the fee part and presented the very same proof you yourself discredited only a few days ago regarding Modric's fee - i.e. ball-park, widely reported, 2+2, etc.

To be honest, I couldn't care less what they sell him for - simply responded to a statement which was technically incorrect - would have done to any poster on this site (bar 1 or 2) and I don't think it was aggresive in any sort of way (bearing in mind the subsequent reaction and snipes) - no need to take everything so personal, fella.
 
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nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
Most are on here :lol:

Though I am not sure you confidence in him signing is entirely well placed.

Ive no doubt his preference is Saudi Sportswashing Machine, but if (only for example) Spurs offered more money than you for him and Liverpool agreed that price his nerve may not hold. He is making his way into the England squad, can he afford to sit out a season?

Also, Spurs are currently a pretty attractive proposition. Even if not his top preference he may be interested...

Aside form that, why do your lot want him? With Cisse and Ba, and seemingly a preference for one striker - where/how does he fit? Seems he would be swapping Liverpools bench for yours.
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He will not leave Liverpool for anyone other than Saudi Sportswashing Machine, it is as simple as that. We need more than two good strikers and Carroll would be part of that, he wouldn't walk into the side and would have to start on the bench but he would get plenty of game time and on a personal level can put the last year or so behind him and try to rebuild his life and happiness.
 
ArcspacE said:
Not at all - I merely pointed out if anything - there was a loan deal with an option to buy while the fee was never confirmed officialy - you then jumped on the fee part and presented the very same proof you yourself discredited only a few days ago regarding Modric's fee - i.e. ball-park, widely reported, 2+2, etc.

To be honest, I couldn't care less what they sell him for - simply responded to a statement which was technically incorrect - would have done to any poster on this site (bar 1 or 2) and I don't think it was aggresive in any sort of way (bearing in mind the subsequent reaction and snipes) - no need to take everything so personal, fella.
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The statement was not technically incorrect, a point you repeatedly missed. Initial loan or not a fee for a permanent transfer was agreed and reported as £17m.

I have also explained that a variety of outlets reported a consistent figure (unlike Modric) and the chairman supported that a high fee was agreed (rather than denied the reported value, again unlike Modric). In addition the news source is clearly not a propaganda rag from Spain.

Keep mentioning the Modric conversations the other day, maybe eventually you will realise the point.
 
Greg said:
He will not leave Liverpool for anyone other than Saudi Sportswashing Machine, it is as simple as that. We need more than two good strikers and Carroll would be part of that, he wouldn't walk into the side and would have to start on the bench but he would get plenty of game time and on a personal level can put the last year or so behind him and try to rebuild his life and happiness.
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Will have to wait and see. I wouldnt be at all surprised if he turned up elsewhere personally.
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
The statement was not technically incorrect, a point you repeatedly missed. Initial loan or not a fee for a permanent transfer was agreed and reported as £17m.

I have also explained that a variety of outlets reported a consistent figure (unlike Modric) and the chairman supported that a high fee was agreed (rather than denied the reported value, again unlike Modric). In addition the news source is clearly not a propaganda rag from Spain.

Keep mentioning the Modric conversations the other day, maybe eventually you will realise the point.
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Reported by the same outlets you discredtied few days ago - why are we even arguing over this? They all probably picked up on each other's story - the same way you ridiculed Modric's excluisve last week. The figure was made up after Sullivan gave made his confession anyway. So how can it work for one player in your books and not the other?

They had not agreed an official 18m sale - a figure never confirmed to this day - hence why I saw it as techincally incorrect. Simply pointed out the loan part of it. As you said before - unless it's on the OS - means fudge all.

You're onto something else today. My bad for dancing along.

/over and out
 
ArcspacE said:
No, but I hold respect for people who enjoy good / eloquent debate
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That's what i'm saying. It seems you actually get on but constantly nit pick at each others posts. I could understand if you didn't particularly like one another but it's weird when you actually get on yet you still nit pick about the smallest things.

Save the nit picking for your enemies:p
 
What odds on Brendan Rodgers sacked before the end of the season? He is looking out of his depth already, his handling of the Carroll situation has been pathetic. First he says he is willing to let him go and that he will not fit in to his system and he is willing to let him go, then he calls our pursuit of him out of order and accuses us of 'taking liberties' and openly admits Carroll is 3rd choice striker only and if he had other strikers he would have let him go already.

The bloke hasn't got a clue what he is doing. Imagine if Hearts beat them tonight!

Isn't it great seeing Liverpool as the laughing stock of the Premier League?
 
Its fantastic!

So far I cant believe how Rodgers has been. Last season I was a big fan of his an advocate of us taking him on if Redknapp went. Since being at Liverpool Ive liked him and his approach less and less to the point where Im thinking "WTF?" about my last held view of him
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
Its fantastic!

So far I cant believe how Rodgers has been. Last season I was a big fan of his an advocate of us taking him on if Redknapp went. Since being at Liverpool Ive liked him and his approach less and less to the point where Im thinking "WTF?" about my last held view of him
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It's early days. Much like AVB. Give him time, he might yet turn out to be good.

However, I wasn't ever happy with the idea of Rodgers at the club. I still maintain that much of the work at Swansea was done before him by Martinez and Sousa. Rodgers just picked it up and helped it along a bit. You can see flashes of it in Liverpool's play; at West Brom, for instance. They had moments of neat possession, but too often wasted by no one making the run ahead of the man in possession, or everyone giving it away carelessly due to a lack of positional awareness. Some of the Swansea style, but not all of it. Which would worry me if I was a Liverpool supporter.

Still, early days.
 
DubaiSpur said:
It's early days. Much like AVB. Give him time, he might yet turn out to be good.

However, I wasn't ever happy with the idea of Rodgers at the club. I still maintain that much of the work at Swansea was done before him by Martinez and Sousa. Rodgers just picked it up and helped it along a bit. You can see flashes of it in Liverpool's play; at West Brom, for instance. They had moments of neat possession, but too often wasted by no one making the run ahead of the man in possession, or everyone giving it away carelessly due to a lack of positional awareness. Some of the Swansea style, but not all of it. Which would worry me if I was a Liverpool supporter.

Still, early days.
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AVB has a clear plan and strategy and he gives off a confidence of knowing what he is doing and having learnt from his mistakes. Rodgers looks like a rabbit in the headlights already, he might yet turn it around but he has a hell of a job on his hands.
 
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