I’m not related to any of them.
You probably are. You had 4 grand parents. 8 great grand parents, 16, 32... it doesn't take long before we're all related. Unless you have 6 fingers.
I’m not related to any of them.
They can chose NOT to sign for a club, but they can't chose exactly who they want!You've lost me on this point. Players do have to willingly sign for a club ie they do not have a gun to their head and are able to pick according to various circumstances.
Baleforce can be infuriating but his reasonable point is you choose who you work for but not where you're from..
You don't hear the French bringing it up because (and I may be assuming here, please correct me if so mate) you aren't reading a lot of French outlets.
I lived in, and currently work in, Quebec. I assure you, there are plenty of French-speaking folk who recognize the exceptionally brutal history of French colonialism. Probably a lot in France too - left-wing there is pretty strong, after all.
I think in general there are always pluralities of people ashamed of their history and proud of it, and a majority of people who don't care either way but will take a stance aligning with their political allegiances if pushed. This is true of most developed countries (which map neatly with those who engaged in colonialism). For developing countries, there tends to be a mythologisation of their past as a reaction to being colonized/poor, so it's a different dynamic there.
They can chose NOT to sign for a club, but they can't chose exactly who they want!
Kulusevski is an arsenal fan. Why is here playing for us? Surely he would want to play for our rivals, as that's his favourite club!
They can chose NOT to sign for a club, but they can't chose exactly who they want!
Kulusevski is an arsenal fan. Why is here playing for us? Surely he would want to play for our rivals, as that's his favourite club!
I dare say most of us probably would have had slaves if we had lived in the 1700s as it was just the done thing. Not excusing, but it clearly wasn’t seen as a problem or immoral.
Double that and i think we have to consider it.
That was what I said. Most play for the club that came with the best offer for the player and previous club, not the players favourite club. And that was the point. You can't just choose to play for (insert club).you could be a lifelong fan of Luton but if Real Madrid come calling it's a better career opportunity. "Your favourite club" isn't necessarily the best one for your career
That was what I said. Most play for the club that came with the best offer for the player and previous club, not the players favourite club. And that was the point. You can't just choose to play for (insert club).
Because he said he didn't get why players bother to play for their country, because players choose their club but not their country.I don't really see how what you've said relates to your original discussion with Baleforce or that is particularly watertight anyways.
Because he said he didn't get why players bother to play for their country, because players choose their club but not their country.
65m at 41? Sounds great! [emoji16]I line Son and I would never want to sell him but if at 41 we can get £65m+ then it might just be the right time to cash in. [emoji848]
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I think you'll find that absolutely everything gets talked about a lot more than 5-10 years ago.But it seems like colonialism gets talked about a lot more now than it did 5-10 years ago
I think we should consider anything over 50 million. Who knows how many seasons Son has left or if he can even get back to his best form?
Refusing to sell our "star" players has cost us a lot the last few years with several players walking for practically nothing in the end after their performances dropped off a cliff. There's loyalty and there's being ignorant of time passing and the team needing to be refreshed.
You don't hear the French bringing it up because (and I may be assuming here, please correct me if so mate) you aren't reading a lot of French outlets.
I lived in, and currently work in, Quebec. I assure you, there are plenty of French-speaking folk who recognize the exceptionally brutal history of French colonialism. Probably a lot in France too - left-wing there is pretty strong, after all.
I think in general there are always pluralities of people ashamed of their history and proud of it, and a majority of people who don't care either way but will take a stance aligning with their political allegiances if pushed. This is true of most developed countries (which map neatly with those who engaged in colonialism). For developing countries, there tends to be a mythologisation of their past as a reaction to being colonized/poor, so it's a different dynamic there.
That’s fair enough mate. Admittedly, I don’t read a lot of French media outlets.
But it seems like colonialism gets talked about a lot more now than it did 5-10 years ago. I’m certainly not proud of our colonialism, but at the same time I don’t personally feel shame or responsibility for it as I wasn’t around at the time. Unfortunately there is nothing we can do to change it. Surely it is more important that we recognise now how wrong it was and that we do not practice it anymore? I’m not even overly patriotic, but it does get grating when people portray England as irredeemably racist and everyone in the country should hang their heads in shame because of our past. Colonialism was practiced all over the world and was a product of the world as it was at the time. I dare say most of us probably would have had slaves if we had lived in the 1700s as it was just the done thing. Not excusing, but it clearly wasn’t seen as a problem or immoral.