Lemonade Money
Nayim
That's not the full quote, he also says he always gives 100%. Then, as you quote, he questions whether all 11 players give 100%.
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Chris Jones
It wasn't 'Dier getting beaten to the ball'. As their player who passes it out wide receives the ball. Walcott is in lots of space on the edge of our box. Davies (I think it is) has to stay inside due to that danger of the ball slipped in, so can't get out closer to the wide player. At this point Dier is standing right next to Romero and playing no part in our defending, a good centre back would've seen this space and moved to fill it, which would've allowed Davies to get wider and closer to Southampton's player in space.
As Southampton play it out wide Dier then actually does the right thing and tries to get himself close to Walcott. At the point the cross is delivered he is pretty well positioned to block the ball if was played to Walcott. Worth nothing here that Harry Kane (who is a better defender than Dier IMO) has also got himself into a great defensive position to block the path of a cross into Walcott so that Southampton's main danger would never have been able to receive the ball. The ball is instead delivered to the back post and for some inexplicable reason Dier then decides to retreat to the line (and actually kind of stands behind Forster?) instead of staying on Southampton's one free player in the box, who he is right next to as the cross is heading towards the back post.
It is then Romero who tries to close Walcott down, while Dier is playing no part in our defending by standing on the line next to Harry Kane.
I've seen some bad defending from Spurs over the years but this was up there. I'm not sure there is another centre back in the Premier League who would've taken the action that Dier did for that goal. He simply doesn't understand how to play as a centre back.
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Grays_1890
Gary Stevens
Finney Is Back
Chris Jones
Poor tackle that one but you can see that he is also trying to ensure that their player doesn't beat him to his left where Southampton have a player in chasms of space and trying to ensure that their player goes to his right where we have numbers. Romero and Skipp then get beaten just as easily in the box before their player gets the shot away (though in their defence neither of them could risk taking the player in the tackle as Hojbjerg could've).
Grays_1890
Gary Stevens
He probably should not have even tried to tackle there and stood the player up to buy time for the team to gain shape, better to slow them down than dive in there IMO
papaspur
Eidur Gudjohnsen
PEH lets him by and then the player still has the option of playing it to the right. Their player just doesn't see him or already has it in mind to pass forward. I do think Perisic should've been marking the guy on our left but that's a whole other issue. And yeah, maybe Romero and Skipp get in each other's way and don't do great there, but at least they narrow the angle down for the shot.
Basically, PEH is just subtracted there. I really don't see a player that gives 100% of himself, and not just from that example, but several throughout the season. I'm also not sure why he's saying we're right where we should be in terms of standings. We are not going to finish 4th with the way things are going. Once other teams play their games in hand, we're going to drop. This mentality is completely wrong, being satisfied with where we are. BUT... Conte is the one naming him in the squad every time so that's a whole other issue.
Finney Is Back
Chris Jones
You see from this sort of thing how badly organised we are defensively, even with having 3 centre backs. Sometimes I can't help but think that we would immediately look better organised just having 2 centre backs and a holding player, where it would be a lot more obvious what positions they are supposed to take up.
Grays_1890
Gary Stevens
I would have a 4 for sure, especially as you can narrow up and also the CBs can take the forwards with more authority of knowing their job. I see us mark no one in a three sometimes as no one knows who to take, worked against city as Haaland playing as a sole 1 up tip made him isolated.
Would much prefer a 4-2-3-1 especially with what's available to us.
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papaspur
Eidur Gudjohnsen
4 in the back could be more logical considering our CMs are a lot better than our CBs, and we seem to have a lot of them that can play in DM like Bissouma, Skipp, or even Bentancur or Sarr if need be. I've said the same thing, that there seems to be some sort of diffusion of responsibility with so many CBs. Romero is always aggressive so that's at least predictable. For me, what's problematic is the LWB being completely out of position.
Anyway, to get back to the topic of the thread, I'm slightly concerned with PEH's response to Conte's comments. All players should always have the humility to acknowledge they could be doing better... but as I mentioned before, being "satisfied" with where we are should be reserved for players of teams that are trying to finish top-half of the table. Players at Brighton, Fulham or Brentford should be satisfied with their current standing. This sort of mentality is disappointing and if he's actually giving 100%, then that's simply not good enough. BTW, Brighton have played three fewer matches than us. If they win even 2 of those and draw 1, they'll climb over us due to their GD. Is that really where PEH thinks we belong? Maybe he belongs in a team that can't finish top-4 if that is the bar he's setting for himself.
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Jimmy Neighbour
Interesteing that PEH should be the one to stick his head above the parapet and request clarification from Conte about who he was aiming his comments at. Maybe he feels that in some parallel universe he should be exempted from all blame but if so, that for me would be as laughabe as it is pathetic.
Because to say his performance left something to be desired would be a massive understatement.
But let's get the positive stuff out of the way first. Yes, PEH did make several excellent positive contributions whenever in possession. But that was only after he's been gifted the ball from one of our own players. For the rest of the time he was scandalously lazy, strolling around like it was a Sunday afternoon kickabout, content with half-hearted attempts to look as though he was interested, whilst making little or no attempt whatsoever to close his man down, never mind trying to win the ball.
In fact I can only recall him making one solitary tackle of note throughout the entire 90 minutes.
His midfield partner Skipp hardly had his best-ever game either, but at least he put in a shift, made tackles and generally closed down the opposition as much as possible.
It will be interesting to see how Conte reacts to PEH's comments. If he even bothers, that is. But if the Italian were to come out and finds a way to exonerate PEH from blame, then that for me would be proof enough of blind favoritism, nothing less.
Because to say his performance left something to be desired would be a massive understatement.
But let's get the positive stuff out of the way first. Yes, PEH did make several excellent positive contributions whenever in possession. But that was only after he's been gifted the ball from one of our own players. For the rest of the time he was scandalously lazy, strolling around like it was a Sunday afternoon kickabout, content with half-hearted attempts to look as though he was interested, whilst making little or no attempt whatsoever to close his man down, never mind trying to win the ball.
In fact I can only recall him making one solitary tackle of note throughout the entire 90 minutes.
His midfield partner Skipp hardly had his best-ever game either, but at least he put in a shift, made tackles and generally closed down the opposition as much as possible.
It will be interesting to see how Conte reacts to PEH's comments. If he even bothers, that is. But if the Italian were to come out and finds a way to exonerate PEH from blame, then that for me would be proof enough of blind favoritism, nothing less.
papaspur
Eidur Gudjohnsen
“The coach has not been satisfied and that is what I will take with me. You do what you can to please him. What I do know about myself is that I am an honest player. I am a player who always gives 100% of myself for the team.”
Our next manager needs to fix this guy's mentality, and if that's not possible, I think we should sell him. It's a shame because he can be a good player but none of the players should be content with where we are, that is, drawing teams at the bottom of the table.
I know some of you guys like him and think he can do no wrong. I want to reiterate that he's not terrible; simply a decent player who can play for top-half teams. Not a starter for a team that wants to win the league or any other silverware.
Our next manager needs to fix this guy's mentality, and if that's not possible, I think we should sell him. It's a shame because he can be a good player but none of the players should be content with where we are, that is, drawing teams at the bottom of the table.
I know some of you guys like him and think he can do no wrong. I want to reiterate that he's not terrible; simply a decent player who can play for top-half teams. Not a starter for a team that wants to win the league or any other silverware.
I'm not a fan but the style of football doesn't suit him. If we played a pressing game with him as the one from midfield pressing it suits his style of play much better.
papaspur
Eidur Gudjohnsen
I think I could see this too, having 4 at the back with 3 midfielders (either DM or AM), with Hojbjerg as one of the more advanced CMs. Maybe even AM as he has a decent shot on him. But again, for me, he's not showing he has the mentality to fight for something more meaningful than "somewhere between 7th and 4th place."
90291Spur
Cecil Poynton
Serious question. How do you know he doesn’t give 100%?
Bedfordspurs
Graham Roberts
How do you judge mentality
@metalgear hkw are you judging effort?
Hojberg is so divisive it’s quite odd
afsoc4life
Michael Carrick
Needs to move on.
90291Spur
Cecil Poynton
4 goals and 4 assists so far this season. Many of them winning us points. Can/should we upgrade? Yes. Does he make a contribution despite his deficiencies? Yes. Does he deserve the vitriol hurled at him by some people? No (in my opinion). Everyone is entitled to their opinions, even if some opinions are, in my opinion, ignorant.