Summer transfer thread, AvB window wrap up pg 1527

[indianspur]

At least then anything else will be a win!

not if he does his groin in training 2 days before Saudi Sportswashing Machine

 

[BrainOfLevy]

one or two deadline deals are ok when the squad needs a little boost in certain areas, but they are not ok for the first team. Big players, first teamers, need to be signed earlier. Plus, the longer it goes on and we get closer to deadline day, the less likely clubs will want to sell their top players. They too will have no time to find a replacement. Its a mess all round

Totally agree again.

Especially for big players, and not players that were likely to move anyway due to contract running down or simply being out of favour at their club, surely the move has to happen sooner.

I can just imagine us getting to the 30th August and putting in a £14 million bid for Lewandowski, thinking that we've played it so well by waiting this long that they simply have to accept such an offer. They of course reject, so we go back on deadline day with an offer of £17 million, and they still reject. We are obviously stunned, without realising that it makes no sense for a team to sell one of their key/most valuable players without time to replace them. Even if the deal makes 'financial' sense because his contract is running down, in reality it doesn't make any sense at all.

Sometimes I worry that because we think mostly in terms of the finances, we expect other clubs to think that way too, and appear shocked when it doesn't happen.

 

[Ganter]

There is no chance the window will close without additions to the front line whether that be permanent or loan deals by September 1st. AVB knows perfectly well that Kane and Defoe will not cut it for a run at a CL spot, backup at best.

The striker area is the one critical area that needs strengthening I'm sure Levy and AVB are working hard to bring the right players into the club. It'll be like the last couple of seasons when clubs all rush to buy in the last few days of the window.

finally some sense...

although I will start to worry a bit if nothing has happened by the mid of this month

 

[DHSF]

Nayim I aint upset - I did say ill wait till 17th August.

I guess all of us are a bit nervous about this, all of us are a bit worried about this and ultimately frustrated.

 

[ArcspacE]

The alternative is to know the market. Something I think Comolli was pretty good at actually, moving for the lieks of Berbatov, Modric, Kaboul, Ekotto.... Although Comollis big failing was his eye was on two years away instead of the "now". Its something I think Redknapp wasnt so good at, with lots of talented players we might have grabbed passing by and out of reach. I would like to see AVB come back to this ideal more than gambling...

To this day I'd still maintain Comolli did very well for us and in the end became merely collateral damage to the Ramos catastrophe. Pulled of some great deals, well early in to the window and often even before that (Modric).

If the reason (in Levy's mind) Redknapp got the boot (amongst many other things) was to do with his long terms strategy or lack thereof - then it's time to back up AVB all the way and show full support behind the project.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

...which he may well be doing as we speak.....

 

[Rob]

Redknapp was in charge for 7 transfer windows.

Counting VdV as a forward we brought in a total of 5 strikers/forwards in those 7 windows. Defoe, Keane, Crouch, VdV and Adebayor on loan. I'm ignoring Saha as it was obviously a stop gap.

Some of you are going on as if Levy is a money hoarder and our poor managers have had to fashion strikers out of clay on a turntable.

We've since seen 3 of those leave the club with little sign of replacement. IMO Siggy replaces Pienaar at a slight financial loss and probably similar wages. That leaves Keane, Crouch, Adebayor AND Pav needing replacements. I'd settle for 2 strikers to replace them and if Defoe leaves too then I'd want 2 world class additions.

 

[Hotspur]

Galatasary claim they are close to beating Arsenal and Tottenham to the signing of Real Madrid midfielder Nuri Sahin.


The Turkey international has failed to establish himself at Madrid since his arrival from Borussia Dortmund last summer and manager Jose Mourinho is reportedly ready to let him leave the club on loan.


North London rivals Arsenal and Spurs both hope to secure the 23-year-old’s signature, but Galatasary director Adem Cukur claims the Turkish giants are leading the race.


“I hope to see Nuri Sahin at Galatasaray soon,” Cukur told Sabah Sport.


“The player is very close and the deal could be completed any moment.


“[Galatasary Manager] Fatih Terim wants him to be the team’s number 10.”

http://www.london24.com/sport/arsenal/galatasary_director_we_are_close_to_signing_arsenal_and_spurs_target_1_1468569

 

[Spursalot]

We've since seen 3 of those leave the club with little sign of replacement. IMO Siggy replaces Pienaar at a slight financial loss and probably similar wages. That leaves Keane, Crouch, Adebayor AND Pav needing replacements. I'd settle for 2 strikers to replace them and if Defoe leaves too then I'd want 2 world class additions.

I'd disagree that siggy replaces pienaar. As he is more likely to be used in the vdv role, he is more likely to be a keane/crouch/ade/pav replacement. We don't need as many strikers now we have moved to a formation with only one striker.



(Also, Ade on loan was the replacement for Crouch, so you can hardly include both of those in your list to replace)

 

[indianspur]

rather Sahin goes to Gala of course

 

[metalgear]

sherwood going to convince aVB to give kane a shot at first team action.
http://www.newsatden.co.uk/4232-exclusive-millwall-dealt-fatal-blow-in-pursuit-of-spurs-striker.html

sherwood also said this:

"I will sit down with the new manager and talk in more depth about his philosophy on loaning younger players.

"But I think there might be a chance of tact, because we don't really learn anything from sending players to the Championship for a second time."



so defoe + kane its is. maybe ade is just enough if we are playing one striker up front, bale as reserve.

 

[Rob]

I'd disagree that siggy replaces pienaar. As he is more likely to be used in the vdv role, he is more likely to be a keane/crouch/ade/pav replacement. We don't need as many strikers now we have moved to a formation with only one striker.



(Also, Ade on loan was the replacement for Crouch, so you can hardly include both of those in your list to replace)

Ah very true - still I said I only wanted 2 strikers to replace them ;-)

I agree about Siggy's role but I didn't necessarily mean a like for like replacement - if you look at the role that Pienaar played for Everton it was more advanced and central than with us. With us he was employed as a wideman and we're still drastically short in that department IMO

 

[Spursalot]

Ah very true - still I said I only wanted 2 strikers to replace them ;-)

I agree about Siggy's role but I didn't necessarily mean a like for like replacement - if you look at the role that Pienaar played for Everton it was more advanced and central than with us. With us he was employed as a wideman and we're still drastically short in that department IMO

That is fair enough. I am of the opinion that Townsend could do a decent backup job for Bale, but the right hand side is looking a little frail i would have to agree.


Edit : ideally i'd want to have 2 AM's, 2 ST's and an AM/ST to cover for both...

 

[Hotspur]

sherwood going to convince aVB to give kane a shot at first team action.
http://www.newsatden.co.uk/4232-exclusive-millwall-dealt-fatal-blow-in-pursuit-of-spurs-striker.html

sherwood also said this:

"I will sit down with the new manager and talk in more depth about his philosophy on loaning younger players.

"But I think there might be a chance of tact, because we don't really learn anything from sending players to the Championship for a second time."



so defoe + kane its is. maybe ade is just enough if we are playing one striker up front, bale as reserve.

Kane can prove himself in the Europa and the cups, we cant count on him being able to do anything in the PL

 

[BAE]

That aint even funny dude.

Imagine if we just ended up with Kane

Don't worry, Robbie Keane is available on loan in February 2013.

Kane and Keane - you heard it here first

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

sherwood going to convince aVB to give kane a shot at first team action.
http://www.newsatden.co.uk/4232-exclusive-millwall-dealt-fatal-blow-in-pursuit-of-spurs-striker.html

sherwood also said this:

"I will sit down with the new manager and talk in more depth about his philosophy on loaning younger players.

"But I think there might be a chance of tact, because we don't really learn anything from sending players to the Championship for a second time."



so defoe + kane its is. maybe ade is just enough if we are playing one striker up front, bale as reserve.

Could just be a case of keeping him around (under 21, no squad place required) to see if he sinks or swims - at which point we will know whether or not we have a player on our hands and can act accordingly.

Not sure I see it as a guarantee he will get any frist team action though, rather the opportunity to push in if he is good enough.

Which from what Ive seen so far, he isnt.

 

[indianspur]

sherwood going to convince aVB to give kane a shot at first team action.
http://www.newsatden.co.uk/4232-exclusive-millwall-dealt-fatal-blow-in-pursuit-of-spurs-striker.html

sherwood also said this:

"I will sit down with the new manager and talk in more depth about his philosophy on loaning younger players.

"But I think there might be a chance of tact, because we don't really learn anything from sending players to the Championship for a second time."



so defoe + kane its is. maybe ade is just enough if we are playing one striker up front, bale as reserve.

no.....our best player shouldnt have to be a reserve anything, its a disgrace if we get to this point

 

[Spursalot]

no.....our best player shouldnt have to be a reserve anything, its a disgrace if we get to this point

Not so bothered if Bale is third choice striker. More concerning would be who plays on the left if he is playing up front. Townsend is a decent backup, but not good enough to play that much yet..

 

[metalgear]

are we back in the reserve league? otherwise i agree that kane won't get beyond a handful of games.
then we might as well loan him out. think any premiership club would take him?

 

[indianspur]

sherwood going to convince aVB to give kane a shot at first team action.
http://www.newsatden.co.uk/4232-exclusive-millwall-dealt-fatal-blow-in-pursuit-of-spurs-striker.html

sherwood also said this:

"I will sit down with the new manager and talk in more depth about his philosophy on loaning younger players.

"But I think there might be a chance of tact, because we don't really learn anything from sending players to the Championship for a second time."



so defoe + kane its is. maybe ade is just enough if we are playing one striker up front, bale as reserve.

from that interview i think the club dont see the point of loaning Kane to another championship club. If he isnt part of AVB's immediate plans, then a loan to a Premiership team might be more suitable by what Sherwood was saying