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Transfer rumours - summer 2021 edition

Bedfordspurs said:
Sales is key
Shifting the players from our clubs ways hard as players don’t want to step down a level and no clubs better than us want the ones we want to sell
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Players who are told they aren't going to be getting a squad place will step down in 99% of the cases. There are actually very few Winston Bogarde's out there.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Pretty sure we were in the top 10 in the last Deloitte report.
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That’s for turnover and doesn’t really hold any relate to cash, profit and money to invest

I mean Barca are top of that list and their bankrupt virtually

don’t think for one second I’m pleading poverty but some of the bigger clubs are actually more skint now than ever

But that could also mean smaller clubs need money and that’s what you have to maximise
 
Bedfordspurs said:
That’s for turnover and doesn’t really hold any relate to cash, profit and money to invest

I mean Barca are top of that list and their bankrupt virtually

don’t think for one second I’m pleading poverty but some of the bigger clubs are actually more skint now than ever

But that could also mean smaller clubs need money and that’s what you have to maximise
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Very few football clubs turn a profit so if that is the way of determining the wealth of clubs then that's a fairly difficult route to take.

Realistically the club's owned by vast wealth and a willingness to spend are the richest ie. The likes of Emirates Marketing Project, Chelsea and PSG.

Then you do have to take into account a club like Barcelona who are cash flow poor but have until now been able to secure loans to find their expenses.

So really which teams are the "richest"?
 
Bishop said:
Very few football clubs turn a profit so if that is the way of determining the wealth of clubs then that's a fairly difficult route to take.

Realistically the club's owned by vast wealth and a willingness to spend are the richest ie. The likes of Emirates Marketing Project, Chelsea and PSG.

Then you do have to take into account a club like Barcelona who are cash flow poor but have until now been able to secure loans to find their expenses.

So really which teams are the "richest"?
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The rich clubs are the ones whose owners bank roll them
It’s the simple IMO
Hence why Everton can buy players they can’t afford, and then on the extreme PSG and City
Hence why this summer IMO city will buy Haaland, Mbappe will stay put and sign a new contract as PSG buy in some more younger players
Other teams who have owner investment will do the same

My issue with the money league is it’s a sales measure of a club, not a performance measure
For context... west ham make the top 20 and their skint according to the dildo twins. Arsenal are 11th and had to sell to buy last summer because their owner isn’t putting his money in
Joe Lewis hasn’t put any money into Spurs and hasn’t taken any out form what I’ve ever seen. So we need to be smart or lucky
When I look back at Poch first season and earlier ones the transfers we made worked because they were generally low risk in ££ terms
We kinda did something something last season with players like Reggie who was very proven at a couple of clubs and had experience, and Hojdjerg who just by being able to run and pass would be an upgrade. The loan signings are always low risk as they can go back and Jo Hart on a free again is minimal risk. Only Doherty is one that may bite us on the backside but even then I think he needs more time.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
The rich clubs are the ones whose owners bank roll them
It’s the simple IMO
Hence why Everton can buy players they can’t afford, and then on the extreme PSG and City
Hence why this summer IMO city will buy Haaland, Mbappe will stay put and sign a new contract as PSG buy in some more younger players
Other teams who have owner investment will do the same

My issue with the money league is it’s a sales measure of a club, not a performance measure
For context... west ham make the top 20 and their skint according to the dildo twins. Arsenal are 11th and had to sell to buy last summer because their owner isn’t putting his money in
Joe Lewis hasn’t put any money into Spurs and hasn’t taken any out form what I’ve ever seen. So we need to be smart or lucky
When I look back at Poch first season and earlier ones the transfers we made worked because they were generally low risk in ££ terms
We kinda did something something last season with players like Reggie who was very proven at a couple of clubs and had experience, and Hojdjerg who just by being able to run and pass would be an upgrade. The loan signings are always low risk as they can go back and Jo Hart on a free again is minimal risk. Only Doherty is one that may bite us on the backside but even then I think he needs more time.
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I agree on the type of business we should do but it is inherently risky because you aren't buying so many proven targets. It also requires those that sign the paperwork to be that but bolder and quicker at doing deals and then also a willingness to cut our losses and move on if something isn't quite working.
 
Bishop said:
I agree on the type of business we should do but it is inherently risky because you aren't buying so many proven targets. It also requires those that sign the paperwork to be that but bolder and quicker at doing deals and then also a willingness to cut our losses and move on if something isn't quite working.
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100%
Timing as always in football is everything
 
To others point, big difference between club value, income and available cash (or willingness to take on debt). Spurs are a top 10 club by most measures, total club value, yearly income, etc.

Those aren't really relevant always in football which has a history of external money being pumped in (Chelsea, City, Leicester, Everton, none of them have a model that supports their spend), Barca and Madrid were state supported for a very long time, etc.

The next 3-5 years will be interesting as we get back to "normality" who goes into that space carrying debt, being a position to push on, or needing shed cost to stay afloat (Barca example)
 
Raziel said:
To others point, big difference between club value, income and available cash (or willingness to take on debt). Spurs are a top 10 club by most measures, total club value, yearly income, etc.

Those aren't really relevant always in football which has a history of external money being pumped in (Chelsea, City, Leicester, Everton, none of them have a model that supports their spend), Barca and Madrid were state supported for a very long time, etc.

The next 3-5 years will be interesting as we get back to "normality" who goes into that space carrying debt, being a position to push on, or needing shed cost to stay afloat (Barca example)
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To be honest it should be that way. It's a sport, a game not a business. It should not be a platform to attempt to make profit imo.
 
DubSpur said:
If clubs don't have the finances to buy a player it doesn't matter if you are selling at a cheaper price. They still won't be buying.
That £10 million house that they've just knocked £3 mill off, great deal, but I still can't afford it.

Yes, sometimes you have to take a hit, but it all depends on how big that hit is, and at some point that hit makes it not worth selling.

I know you aren't a fan of Levy, but maybe for once be realistic about expectations in the current climate. We've lost out on over £100 million in revenue, other teams have
lost out as well. It's not going to be a normal transfer window. That doesn't say there aren't deals to be done, but I don't see the same amount of deals as in previous years.

And I guarantee that our rivals in the PL won't be busy and that holds as much weight as your guarantee, none of us know.
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Could not agree more, good post.
 
Bishop said:
To be honest it should be that way. It's a sport, a game not a business. It should not be a platform to attempt to make profit imo.
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No I agree
But clubs should also have to live within their means
I mean in no other sport I believe is it so disjointed that organisations literally make up the numbers but are more powerful than the body regulating them
I want competition
I want teams to to strive to be the best
I want the worst team sometimes beating the best team
Covid has made that whole thing less likely now which is scary
No one will convince me city run a legit club on the basis of the rules in place.
Similarly no one will convince me they won’t win the league 70% of a decade now. Same with PSG, same with Bayern and it was the same in Spain...
 
Bedfordspurs said:
No I agree
But clubs should also have to live within their means
I mean in no other sport I believe is it so disjointed that organisations non-figuratively make up the numbers but are more powerful than the body regulating them
I want competition
I want teams to to strive to be the best
I want the worst team sometimes beating the best team
Covid has made that whole thing less likely now which is scary
No one will convince me city run a legit club on the basis of the rules in place.
Similarly no one will convince me they won’t win the league 70% of a decade now. Same with PSG, same with Bayern and it was the same in Spain...
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Yes it's become completely distorted. There has always been outside funding but the scale it has gotten to post Abramovitch's entry into the game has made the balance completely off kilter.

I've never begrudged United their wealth as it came due to the timing of their success but they did earn it on the pitch through their success. Chelsea, a City and their ilk have just thrown money at a problem until they overcome any bumps in the road.

Can't say I respect it.
 
Bishop said:
Yes it's become completely distorted. There has always been outside funding but the scale it has gotten to post Abramovitch's entry into the game has made the balance completely off kilter.

I've never begrudged United their wealth as it came due to the timing of their success but they did earn it on the pitch through their success. Chelsea, a City and their ilk have just thrown money at a problem until they overcome any bumps in the road.

Can't say I respect it.
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That's the issue, success begets success (unfairness of capitalism), so I have no issue with Pool, United

The issue is money laundering, state sponsored brick that would be illegal in any other business, it would be unfair business practice, dumping, etc. Add in the player hording brick, the game is really fudged up, the only thing that has saved the PL is there is multiple cheaters otherwise it deteriorates to a PSG/Bayern league model
 
Raziel said:
That's the issue, success begets success (unfairness of capitalism), so I have no issue with Pool, United

The issue is money laundering, state sponsored brick that would be illegal in any other business, it would be unfair business practice, dumping, etc. Add in the player hording brick, the game is really fudged up, the only thing that has saved the PL is there is multiple cheaters otherwise it deteriorates to a PSG/Bayern league model
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Oh it will go that way
City will spend £150m every summer now to stay top
Teams will be coming from too far back
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Oh it will go that way
City will spend £150m every summer now to stay top
Teams will be coming from too far back
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But even clubs like Leicester, Everton, wolves and even Brighton have spent beyond their means on transfers. Got to the stage where I would not care if we did it. Any pretence of it being a fair leave is gone. It is like those stalls outside waitrose where some dolly bird is giving away free magnum ice creams, I have not earnt it but by golly I will take it.

When you look at the prem league era I can not think of any other club who has been so screwed over as us.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
But even clubs like Leicester, Everton, wolves and even Brighton have spent beyond their means on transfers. Got to the stage where I would not care if we did it. Any pretence of it being a fair leave is gone. It is like those stalls outside waitrose where some dolly bird is giving away free magnum ice creams, I have not earnt it but by golly I will take it.

When you look at the prem league era I can not think of any other club who has been so screw over as us.
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yep there are so many working beyond their means but only so far a couple who have been caught ... that says the level of the team that was caught and the influence they used to get away with it

and my issue isn’t there doing it we should all do it... my issue is no one should be able to do it as it’s a farcical set up

Look at Barca right now to see the panic in that club because of living beyond their means
 
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