Leeds Spur
Banned
First 11 for Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool? Not a lot between them IMO
-
Dear Guest, Please note that adult content is not permitted on this forum. We have had our Google ads disabled at times due to some posts that were found from some time ago. Please do not post adult content and if you see any already on the forum, please report the post so that we can deal with it. Adult content is allowed in the glory hole - you will have to request permission to access it. Thanks, scara
Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach
- Thread starter Bale
- Start date
First 11 for Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool? Not a lot between them IMO
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
GB's comment about Bayern's loss wasn't too ridiculous to be honest. Of course nobody wants Spurs to lose out in any way, but it may have been a lot harder to sack a manager leading us into the Champions League, where as now Spurs can say 'Well, we had 3rd and blew it, we had to move on'. And it becomes a lot easier to justify bringing someone else in, as well as smoothing their introduction. If Harry was about to lead us into the CL, there would be more people that would never take to AVB in the first place.
And I think it was important to get someone in that shared Levy's long term vision. We can only go on so long with Redknapp patching up the squad each year, with no long term plan. It is like RDM and Chelsea, fair enough they won the CL due to placating the older players, and they get their day of glory. But sooner or later someone will have to put a longer term stamp on that club. They can only go on placating the older players for so long.
And I think it was important to get someone in that shared Levy's long term vision. We can only go on so long with Redknapp patching up the squad each year, with no long term plan. It is like RDM and Chelsea, fair enough they won the CL due to placating the older players, and they get their day of glory. But sooner or later someone will have to put a longer term stamp on that club. They can only go on placating the older players for so long.
Jurgen the German
Tommy Harmer
Spurs and Arsenal are fairly even, there's no way more than 3 Liverpool players would get into our first 11
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
Agreed. He actually can make fair points, like saying Carrick is under-rated and should have been used more by England. And his reasoning to back it up is totally sound.
But tonight, he was just being ridiculous. And I'm sure it worked for him and his pay cheque. Seriously made me boil at some points. Not with genuine anger, just at incredulity at how someone could be so wrong.
On the Bale contract:
AD: Now AVB has come in you're gonna have players wanting to leave.
DG: Well, Bale signed a new contract didn't he? He must have known AVB was coming.
AD: You think there isn't a get out clause in that? Really?
DG: What, like 'I'll sign now but if AVB's the manager I get to take it back'? Give over.
AD: Well...we'll see.
Idiot.
Leeds Spur
Banned
Do the analysis then?
Arsenal hav. Better starting XI IMO. Saudi Sportswashing Machine have a very tasty team!!
I think we are very one eyed when it ones to our weaknesses and other tems strengths.
Arsenal hav. Better starting XI IMO. Saudi Sportswashing Machine have a very tasty team!!
I think we are very one eyed when it ones to our weaknesses and other tems strengths.
Leeds Spur
Banned
it's th reason Bale signed!! And Modric will stay.
Sheikh Ma Nuggets
Tony Parks
Lovely.
4th, 5th, 4th. Form says otherwise.
No way I'd accept 7th. Or 6th. fudging failure of the highest order. For me, it's at least 4th and 3rd to justify the change.
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
Agree with this assessment. This season should be regarded as transition. The only fair time to judge AVB would be next season when "his" team has a chance to bed in. I hope he gets off to a good start and we dont give him as little time as Chelsea. Patience is required methinks - and providing the football is entertaining and we can see some progress on the direction we want to go in, then hopefully this will be the start of a new successful era for all at THFC
Jurgen the German
Tommy Harmer
Liverpool that would make our starting 11: Agger, Reina and Suarez. The rest? Downing, Carroll, Adam, Lucas, Carragher, Enrique, Johnson ahead of the likes of Bale, Lennon, Modric, Parker/Sandro, Ekotto and Walker? No chance!
Saudi Sportswashing Machine have a very good starting 11 but we still have a better squad.
Again, Arsenal and us are quite even. It would probably be 6 players from them/us and 5 from them/us.
It's just interesting how people are starting to move the goalposts now we have a new manager who will no doubt have a fair amount of money to spend.
Jurgen the German
Tommy Harmer
This.
7th? please!
5th at the worst. 5th would not be a huge disappointment. At the end of the day, we still at present have a better squad than Saudi Sportswashing Machine and Liverpool and were on a par with the scum.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
To be honest, if this rumoured investment comes through, I'm quite sure Harry would have had us challenging for 3rd again. Maybe not long term and sustainably, but for a couple of years he may well have done. He makes good players play well - when England speculation isn't ruining our season.
But if everything was as it was, I'd say we were on for 6th as well. Top 3 would have been nailed on City, Chelsea, Man United. Arsenal would likely not be as bad again...although they might still. And if Liverpool spend well they would be a serious threat. So maybe 5th.
With Harry, we will always do well if we have good players. If his only striking options are Pav and Crouch, we probably won't do that great. We were on for 3rd when Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal were a complete shower, and once one of them got their act together we fell down. I don't think AVB has to get 4th to be justified. I think he should be at least 6th, and be in the conversation for 4th. I wouldn't really accept 7th unless it was a seriously tight league, not with the rumoured investment (only rumoured I know but if we are breaking our wage structure for Bale I think something's happening). AVB will be charged with developing a long term sustainable plan. Scouting, signing under-valued young players and turning them into consistent performers. Under Harry I imagine there was a lot of umming and aahing about 'unproven' targets and therefore it's probably why we then decide to sign stop gaps until someone truly quality becomes available. Levy wants long term sustainability, and even though I defended Harry when he was our manager, I don't think there's a single argument to say he was well placed to give us that.
Jurgen the German
Tommy Harmer
So let me get this right, the Liverpool team that everybody on this forum (including me) has ridiculed for the last two seasons and still do now, people would be content if we finished below them? Even if they spend money, what world class players will they be able to attract without CL again?
linnet_spur
Pascal Chimbonda
I wish some of you were on the Man Untied board in the late 80's. The dip they had with Fergie would have seen him sacked with you lot and done us all a favour. The guy needs to be given time, at least 2 seasons, 5th/6th would not be a disaster as long as there were positive signs in that time.
Last edited:
chancer
Gudni Bergsson
> I think Saudi Sportswashing Machine got the serious run of the ball last season and will not be a serious force this.
> I really worry for Nice Guy Brendan at Liverpool and can see it not going right for him, at least not next term.
> I sense Arse are still brittle as hell and flagging, despite new signings.
> Chelsea have a lot of old players now, RdiM was sacked by WBA and I don't see them as that scary at all.
I think AVB's technical approach is incredibly suited to the current Spurs squad, who I think will be very receptive to a codified version of the great football they've already been playing.
Hence, I think 3rd is a very real possibility next season and I'll be disappointed if we don't pinch it.
> I really worry for Nice Guy Brendan at Liverpool and can see it not going right for him, at least not next term.
> I sense Arse are still brittle as hell and flagging, despite new signings.
> Chelsea have a lot of old players now, RdiM was sacked by WBA and I don't see them as that scary at all.
I think AVB's technical approach is incredibly suited to the current Spurs squad, who I think will be very receptive to a codified version of the great football they've already been playing.
Hence, I think 3rd is a very real possibility next season and I'll be disappointed if we don't pinch it.
Sheikh Ma Nuggets
Tony Parks
What's ironic about that, is that - under Redknapp - not only were we relatively successful; indeed more successful than we've been in a good 25yrs or so, but it was sustainable in terms of net investment. He was also building a squad which he knew inside-out.
So then Levy decides to change it. Destabilises the club. 4th, 5th, 4th - yet wants to go 'in a different direction'.
I fear he's chasing something he can't actually finance.
Leeds Spur
Banned
I'm not movin t goal posts. You've asically confirmed that if they avoid injuries then Arsenal, us, Chelsea and Saudi Sportswashing Machine are all evn, then you have the Manchester clubs. You omit the likes of Suarez and Maxi? I really don't think there's much between the full backs.
i agree and i think some people here are being all to quick to throw in short term targets to prove whether he is a success or not, i also believe that had Redknapp walked away instead of being pushed then these same people wouldn't be as demanding of the new guy as they are right now.
