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OMT - Tottenham Hotspur v South Coast's Biggest Club

Man of the match

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galeforce said:
agree on the new guys

Sanchez, Moura and Aurier have no excuse, they have the ability and the athleticism, they just need to work harder

we need to coach them better too so they stop making mistakes and actually do their jobs
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Sanchez and Moura yes. Aurier needs to be sold. Quickly. He's uncoachable.
 
milo said:
I don't think that those statements have been proven to be false. The players can be tired after the world cup and the stadium could be a drain on funds and resources, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't have signed anyone.

I think that it is valid to ask how much difference Grealish would have made and whether signing anyone is better than singing no one.

We've lacked direction in the transfer market for a while. It is one of the reasons why I think that we've really missed not having a DoF.
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You've got to refresh your squad. The summer transfer window came in in 2003. There are 20 teams in the league. That was 300 windows and we were the only side not to sign anyone. It was always going to be a problem. Even if the lads you sign aren't first team players, they refresh it a bit. A fella like Grealish could have been a good addition and might have gotten better. In fact, he looks pretty good as it is with Villa. The stadium put a strain on finances but we could still have afforded 1-2 decent players.

On Poch, surely nobody here is still sticking by the line that "we need to be brave" didn't mean we needed to refresh the squad? It was obvious then, it is more obvious now. But people wanted to believe we had found the secret keys to the kingdom and Poch and Levy had figured out something that no other club had done in the last 50 years.

The WC theory carried some weight at the time but the fact that all of those players looked as bad if not worse in the second half of last season and the first half of this suggests that the WC wasn't the problem.

Agree on the DoF by the way.
 
billyiddo said:
We've signed no one of the right level since the summer we signed Son and Alderweireld- with all the right management in the world you can't polish a turd.

*summer just gone not included
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I've done this in the past but for comparison, Liverpool in the same 3 years:

Mane
Wijnaldum
Karius
Klavan
Matip
Van Dijk
Salah
Oxlade-Chamberlain
Robertson
Solanke
Allison
Keita
Fabinho
Shaqiri

Pretty infuriating.

I'm hoping our three from this summer will be looking sharp by the end of the season though.
 
DeanoAustin said:
You've got to refresh your squad. The summer transfer window came in in 2003. There are 20 teams in the league. That was 300 windows and we were the only side not to sign anyone. It was always going to be a problem. Even if the lads you sign aren't first team players, they refresh it a bit. A fella like Grealish could have been a good addition and might have gotten better. In fact, he looks pretty good as it is with Villa. The stadium put a strain on finances but we could still have afforded 1-2 decent players.

On Poch, surely nobody here is still sticking by the line that "we need to be brave" didn't mean we needed to refresh the squad? It was obvious then, it is more obvious now. But people wanted to believe we had found the secret keys to the kingdom and Poch and Levy had figured out something that no other club had done in the last 50 years.

The WC theory carried some weight at the time but the fact that all of those players looked as bad if not worse in the second half of last season and the first half of this suggests that the WC wasn't the problem.

Agree on the DoF by the way.
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I agree, it was a massive mistake not rebuilding from a position of strength. I also agree that Poch was calling for the squad to be rebuilt in the summers of 2018 and 2019. Where I disagree with some of the comments at the time, is the desperation for any signing or the overly simplistic calls for us to pay whatever a club asks for.

With the stadium, I think that the biggest damage that it did was on the amount of time that Levy had available. The stadium must've been a full time job on its own. Not having a DoF through this time was a massive mistake.
 
milo said:
I agree, it was a massive mistake not rebuilding from a position of strength. I also agree that Poch was calling for the squad to be rebuilt in the summers of 2018 and 2019. Where I disagree with some of the comments at the time, is the desperation for any signing or the overly simplistic calls for us to pay whatever a club asks for.

With the stadium, I think that the biggest damage that it did was on the amount of time that Levy had available. The stadium must've been a full time job on its own. Not having a DoF through this time was a massive mistake.
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Yeah, I think all of the above is fair comment.

This is the thing I guess we've got to appreciate. When we talk about thinking long-term, the above is it. Which means you sacrifice something in the short term. If long term thinking always resulted in short term results, everyone would do it.

It just stings that we look to have tinkled away a really good opportunity to proper challenge for the big prizes, we sacrificed a manager we all adored for something that might not come to fruition for 5-10 years (if at all).
 
Stadium must of played a part in not refreshing squad in 2018 but prior to that our signings have proven to be pretty underwhelming.

Sissoko for me just shows where we are. Sorry to throw him under the bus but he is way below what we need to challenge for top 4 or any trophy’s. Yes he has his uses but a regular starter he should not be.

Ultimately buck stops with Levy and his gamble has failed we are miles off.Top 4 are head and shoulders above us. We need a long term project type refresh like Poch early days but with a manager I think is totally incapable of that.
 
Hootnow said:
I've done this in the past but for comparison, Liverpool in the same 3 years:

Mane
Wijnaldum
Karius
Klavan
Matip
Van Dijk
Salad
Oxlade-Chamberlain
Robertson
Solanke
Allison
Keita
Fabinho
Shaqiri

Pretty infuriating.

I'm hoping our three from this summer will be looking sharp by the end of the season though.
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Well according to a lot of spurs fans their crap and should be gone ... I mean who needs time to settle into a new place of work
 
StephenH said:
Many of our signings have been fundamentally flawed in some way or another!
When was the last truly successful signing?
Son?
there must a more recent one!
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Son Alderweireld 15/16 (4 years ago)
Wanyama Sissoko 16/17 (3 years ago)

Since we left WHL we have weakened the squad bit by bit each window.


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People chose to ignore this fact when they queued up to stick the boot in to Pochettino for finally hitting a wall trying to get a tune out of them.
 
Jurgen the German said:
think you are being unfair. No one in real life rounded on him. Besides a few nerds on football forums, no one rounded on him. Poch lost the dressing room IMO but Mourinho has done very little to convince me he has the answers either. Can we just buy Leicester’s squad?
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:D

Ladies and gentlemen, THIS is how history gets rewritten time and time and time again...
 
billyiddo said:
Son Alderweireld 15/16 (4 years ago)
Wanyama Sissoko 16/17 (3 years ago)

Since we left WHL we have weakened the squad bit by bit each window.


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People chose to ignore this fact when they queued up to stick the boot in to Pochettino for finally hitting a wall trying to get a tune out of them.
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yes I get that
but what I'm saying even when we do buy a player they are poor or flawed! ie NDembele fitness is bloody awful!
 
billyiddo said:
Son Alderweireld 15/16 (4 years ago)
Wanyama Sissoko 16/17 (3 years ago)

Since we left WHL we have weakened the squad bit by bit each window.


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People chose to ignore this fact when they queued up to stick the boot in to Pochettino for finally hitting a wall trying to get a tune out of them.
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thats the problem with trying to buy top 4 standard players, for top 10 type prices. Each transfer is a gamble
 
billyiddo said:
You must have taken a holiday from social media the last 6 months if you don't think people rounded on him.

Anyway those people know who they are and if they have more than a brain cell between them they should realize they backed the wrong horse by now. The only glimmer of light i have is they have to live with their choice
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This categorically won't happen mate. Sadly, folks like you and me also have to live with their choice.
 
billyiddo said:
Son Alderweireld 15/16 (4 years ago)
Wanyama Sissoko 16/17 (3 years ago)

Since we left WHL we have weakened the squad bit by bit each window.


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People chose to ignore this fact when they queued up to stick the boot in to Pochettino for finally hitting a wall trying to get a tune out of them.
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This is the unfortunate truth and I think also partly down to our fans' expectations.

I've seen things like selling Walker had no impact on the squad or its achievements, not making x or y transfer had no impact. This comes from a mentality where as long as we qualify for the CL, its ok and all that is needed.

I appreciate there have been other constraints but we've gotten consistently worse, year after year, since Walker left. Of course not all because of him specifically. He leaves and is replaced by inferior players. Dembele declines and is sold, is replaced by inferior players. Wanyama breaks, replaced by inferior players. Rose declines, he's still here and only competition is Mr reliable. Vertonghen and Toby get older and slower and our replacements are not yet up to scratch. Kane gets older and starts to feel the weight of his injuries, nobody to really reliably relieve the load. Lloris declines, Gazza is a pretty standard 2nd keeper. Etc etc, all through the spine of the team.

Its death and decline by a thousand cuts.

It isn't all doom and gloom but we've made things a lot harder and more painful for ourselves than they needed to be.
 
Hootnow said:
This is the unfortunate truth and I think also partly down to our fans' expectations.

I've seen things like selling Walker had no impact on the squad or its achievements, not making x or y transfer had no impact. This comes from a meteorology where as long as we qualify for the CL, its ok and all that is needed.

I appreciate there have been other constraints but we've gotten consistently worse, year after year, since Walker left. Of course not all because of him specifically. He leaves and is replaced by inferior players. Dembele declines and is sold, is replaced by inferior players. Wanyama breaks, replaced by inferior players. Rose declines, he's still here and only competition is Mr reliable. Vertonghen and Toby get older and slower and our replacements are not yet up to scratch. Kane gets older and starts to feel the weight of his injuries, nobody to really reliably relieve the load. Lloris declines, Gazza is a pretty standard 2nd keeper. Etc etc, all through the spine of the team.

Its death and decline by a thousand cuts.

It isn't all doom and gloom but we've made things a lot harder and more painful for ourselves than they needed to be.
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100 percent and have argued the same myself many times recently
 
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