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Danishfurniturelover said:
I feel the same way that I don't mind people singing songs about something they like though I sense with those politicians it was about nationalism.

Regarding the EU. I was talking to a remainer friend today and he said he could understand why I voted out for patriotic reasons.

fudge patriotism it is not for me. Small government with less levels of politicians or civil servants yes I'm all for that. More accountability and less of the sinister empire building the EU is doing.

Said on here many times. When people and Boris did it recently talk about making Britain the greatest nation and making Britain great again.


Nope no no not for me. Make Britain a forward worldly looking nation. A modest quiet calmly efficient polite place.

We should always be welcoming asylum seekers. Interestingly I went to herstmonsaux castle today for a falconary day. When walking around the castle I was reading about the guy who bought it because as a refugee he was put their as a child. Made his millions in later life and bought it and dedicated it as a place for nations to learn together. Cool guy and cool place.

On nationalism I tend to agree with you except I don't hate the English. I noticed with my friend today he was talking about patriotism as though to be patriotic was intelluctly backward.

I think having full control over ones owns lawyers and being able to vote them out those that try to stop us is an amazing thing.
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How can you be in support of smaller government and re-nationalization at the same time?
 
Jon said:
Was it 11 then? I can’t quite recall, it’s been a while since I nailed it. I’ve moved on to knitting since.
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10 dimensions + time satisfies the maths. String theory is good preparation for knitting, you would think.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
How can you be in support of smaller government and re-nationalization at the same time?
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Although seemingly contradictory, I think it is actually possible. Imagine the water companies railways etc shares are owned by the UK Exchequer (the people). Water in London alone makes £500m or £1b a year (varies on what they spend on infrastructure).

You keep these concerns run like a private company - in other words away from government - with the CEO getting profit bonuses, but add in some kind of charter to reinvest X% into services. More or less what regulators do now. Government doesn't grow. But our nations receipts grow by £Xb each year.

What you do with the extra money would no doubt depend on the government of the day. Tax cuts, more money to spend on services...
 
Rorschach said:
10 dimensions + time satisfies the maths. String theory is good preparation for knitting, you would think.
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If seemed the logical progression....

I’m half way through a lovely double weave seven dimensional pulley at the moment. Well, three of me are anyway.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
How can you be in support of smaller government and re-nationalization at the same time?
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That's my ambition as well.

It's possible if you see the industries as providers of public services, rather than providers of public jobs.

Basically they have a single task - provide the whole country with plentiful clean water. The revenues pay the salaries and infrastructure costs, and a small government unit quality assures it.

Nationalisation fails when the fundamental aim is to ensure full employment.
 
StephenH said:
No, I didn't know about your illness!
I've been disabled from birth and have lost many of my school friends to illness over the years! So illness is the the norm for me since I was at primary school, if you get me drift.
I lost my dad to cancer at 47 and my mum to MND 10 or so year ago particular grim way to go, being an only child that was eye-opening. I have been married now for 38 years with two kids and 3 grand kids, I've just had my 67th on the 5th so I'm chuffed on the death front!
Was born 30 years to early to be a disabled person and trying to find work. I could tell you stories about the job applications and interviews that would have you disbelieving me, looking back now some were totally hilarious total discrimination, so the upshot was I started my own business and the rest is history!

I’m with you all the way on religion!
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MND was always my big fear so i got lucky with only getting Parkinson's. We have come far in this country with disabilities.

Glad your back on this site even if everything you think about the EU is completely wrong.
 
Grays_1890 said:
There is a slight problem with this as Britain has been for many years one of the world leaders in forward looking and an open and diverse society. We are one of the most racially and ethnically integrated societies in the world, there are not too many places in the whole world where you can experience such a splash of cultures openness to sexual choices and be aware of peoples religious heritage. We are constantly under this media gaze where incidents are over reported but it far outweighs the reality.

I live in South London and I am sandwiched between 2 churches frequented by the African neighbourhood a Sikh Temple and a mosque, the weekends are a hotbed of colours and sounds and there is never an inch of bother in terms of openness and acceptability, take the London over ground from West Croydon to Shoreditch and beyond at the weekend and listen to the people, see the people, smell the foods and you will see that the UK is one of the most ethnically diverse nations in the world and its even more evident when you look at the numbers and compare it to our size of country.

Brexit does not change that and nor does a few people from predominantly white neighbourhoods who don't leave their house or working men's clubs.

We have always welcome Asylum seekers, our countries fabric is made up on it along with immigrants from all over the globe but there does have to be a balance and the worlds changed to such an extents that the open arm of charity can be held out by many more countries than just the UK, we have a long history of it and our population swell is at the point of over population in many parts, that's not an Asylum problem before anyone jumps at me that's just a fact of how the UK has evolved but there options for Asylum is not just UK or bust, many asylum seekers come from countries that neighbour buoyant countries with vibrant GDPs who have a zero Asylum policy yet the UK gets this shaming when we have to put a number on what we can do.

And thats our biggest crime, probably our only crime, we put a number on it, the shame of Asylum lays firmly on the world more than the UK in my opinion, as a nation we do alot to fight with them.
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Brilliant post and totally agree.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
How can you be in support of smaller government and re-nationalization at the same time?
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Because I do want the state to run the railways and some other services but I want them to run them as if they were a private business and the tax payer was the shareholder.

Johnson actually mentioned a year ago about trying to get more people involved in owning shares in services. I think he did it as a way to starve off the Corbyn rise.

I think hope their can be a third way. Not some over blown state that I suspect you would like employing an army of pen pushers and union people. But for example a sleek modern run railway where the money is put back in instead of going to the bosses.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
MND was always my big fear so i got lucky with only getting Parkinson's. We have come far in this country with disabilities.

Glad your back on this site even if everything you think about the EU is completely wrong.
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Parkinsons is a bitch, all the best to you in your battles!

I'm 50/50 on the EU take them or leave them!
Just do no harm to peoples health and livelihoods!
My grievance is with the current morally bankrupt conservative party who care little for those less fortunate.
 
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Danishfurniturelover said:
Brilliant post and totally agree.
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You and @Grays_1890 have the right sentiments. The right aims, but the wrong way of getting there. A forward looking nation doesn't close off from a the worlds largest and most prosperous free market. Or put impediments between working with other nations who are the most similar to it, on things like climate change, and global threats. I get that all your eggs are in the anti-EU basket. I may as well be trying to convince you to support arsenal. Curse the thought!!! But the forward looking UK thing - that is the opposit of Brexit.
 
SpurMeUp said:
You and @Grays_1890 have the right sentiments. The right aims, but the wrong way of getting there. A forward looking nation doesn't close off from a the worlds largest and most prosperous free market. Or put impediments between working with other nations who are the most similar to it, on things like climate change, and global threats. I get that all your eggs are in the anti-EU basket. I may as well be trying to convince you to support arsenal. Curse the thought!!! But the forward looking UK thing - that is the opposit of Brexit.
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You totally missed the whole point of my post, my post was nothing to do with Brexit but about where the UK sits in the world and where the UKs place is now in term sof Asylum, openness and diversity. The only reference I make to Brexit is that Brexit does not change where we are and what we have done in the last 40/50 years in that respect.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Brilliant post and totally agree.
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Thanks mate, I just get on abit of a horse when it comes to people attacked the UK for its lack of awareness on immigration or asylum or ethnic diversity. London is probably one of if not the most ethnically diverse populations in the world. One third of London is foreign born, that is one third of over 8m people in an area as tiny as London is HUGE. Even though English is the official language the city is brimming with diversity on every corner. 200 languages spoken across the capital and a capital that encourages people to share their culture and their love for their home. People can hit the UK on the head with a hammer all they like but the facts are there, I was living in an area where West Indian families were the life blood of the party, where I played cricket with some of the best lads from the best families who shared their culture and food and colours, who got us into Reggae which then spawned Ska and was a HUGE melting pot for social integration.

Putting a limit on immigration when we are one of the most over populated countries and cities in the western world based on our size does not re-write history the way people are saying it does.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Brexit does not change where we are.
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You sure about that? Why make a change if we want no change? The rest I agree with.

Within the EU, the UK has always had 100% control of the more noticeable/dramatic immigration - referring to Africa churches, Reggae, particularly different foods etc

Listen I’m not having a go at you. I’m admiring your sentiments, agreeing with them and feeling a tad sad that people like you Danish, Parklane etc who have admirable ethics don’t see that the EU don’t compromise us. We actually compromise ourselves and 99%of things that need fixing are probably UK based and controlled and not effected by the EU.



Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app
 
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StephenH said:
Parkinsons is a bitch, all the best to you in your battles!

I'm 50/50 on the EU take them or leave them!
Just do no harm to peoples health and livelihoods!
My grievance is with the current morally bankrupt conservative party who care little for those less fortunate.
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The Tories have 1 or 2 good ideas. Corbyn has in my view 3 or 4 good ideas. Funny thing if it was not for my absolute hatred of the EU I would fit very naturally into the liberals.

The Parkinson's I hope from what I am told i can reset to the level of first diagnosis with this treatment. A lot of conditions are in future going to be treated over the long term. Much like how HIV is now just a chronic condition.

MND is a cnut and people with it should be allowed to be guinea pigs if they want. The law around that sucks and treats us like we are mentally incapacitated rather then desperate.
 
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