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Christian Eriksen

The thing is, if “bigger clubs” wanted him, surely they would have had a punt anyway, why waste a year without him for what would be an insignificant fee?

Because none of them is desperate to fill an Eriksen sized hole. So they can wait, like Juve did with Ramsey, and then get him on cheaper overall terms for them but better wages for him.

The main issue with Juve is going to be their foreign player allocation and FFP. They are already stretched and may even need to pull Dybala from their CL squad list!!
 
Don't blame him for doing or his treatment of us as a club, but he shouldn't have been so specific in his preferences publicly.
Especially after turning down utd, now unless he is picked up by barca, unlikely imho, or Madrid it will look like wherever else he ends will be at best second choice.

On a free transfer you will find they will probably all be interested in him, and to be honest once he leave us to go abroad I could not give a toss who he signs for.
 
Because none of them is desperate to fill an Eriksen sized hole. So they can wait, like Juve did with Ramsey, and then get him on cheaper overall terms for them but better wages for him.

The main issue with Juve is going to be their foreign player allocation and FFP. They are already stretched and may even need to pull Dybala from their CL squad list!!

That’s the point, he clearly thought he was going to be courted like Bale, this is going to have opened his eyes a bit.
 
Why should it? If he comes a cropper, he always has a bumper contract awaiting for him at the Enfield training ground. It's nothing other than a win-win for him...
 
You mean like Aaron Ramsey who went to Juventus for a £8m signing on fee and £400K a week?

Find me something that says he got the 8M signing fee plus the 400k a week and I’ll believe that. I think the way these figures are reported is that the sign on fee is rolled into something that is paid over time. By the same token I’d struggle to believe Arsenal gave Ozil 300k a week as his basic weekly wage - I’m pretty sure they juiced it with a sign on fee.

But my point is this - and if that ESPN article is to be believed, it’s something the Spurs camp feel too. We are not the only club that has a ‘wage structure’. Other clubs may have a larger budget than ours, but every club will pay their most important players the most, their squad players less, etc etc. Because every club needs to have some semblance of parity and order.

These clubs, be it Barca, Real, or Juve, clearly don’t view Eriksen as important enough to force our hand for given that he’d be available for a reasonable price this summer. Real went hard for Hazard because they wanted him. Barca don’t really have space. Juve are the only ones that really have recent track in bargain hunting for free agents and who’s to say what space they have next summer. Maybe they ship someone out and offer Eriksen the world to join. Maybe they don’t. I’ll bet they view Ramsey as a particularly important player. It will be interesting to see if Eriksen can get a move where he is viewed as important as he is at Spurs.

Because if clubs take a punt on him, they need space in the squad, and they need to have a plan for how they’ll use him. If Real view him as a Modric replacement, he’ll be paid big money. If they view him as a worthy squad player that they take a punt on, they will offer him less. Unless they are desperate for him, they aren’t offering him the world.

There’s the very real possibility that even if he leaves, he isn’t going to be a first choice. Clubs also have to weigh up whether they want to give him a seat in their squad or sign someone younger who may be more suited. Eriksen doesn’t strike me as a Real attacker. Barca got Frenkie. Juve have loads of players in his position.

I think Eriksen is playing a dangerous game because there is also the possibility that he burns his bridges with us and is forced to go somewhere else that isn’t Barca or Real and isn’t even us. Not that there will be bad feeling, just that if he continues to fumble about his plans we are going to have to move on and make plans without him. If we managed to get Dybala, it would have already put him in a really tricky spot for this season. He’s got a reprieve, so it will be interesting to see what happens.

To all the people that think he’s just going to walk in to one of the biggest teams in the world and get paid big money, it was assumed Toby would be gone the last two summers, because obviously he is class and obviously some club will take advantage of his contract situation. But it didn’t happen. Clubs have to value him enough over signing someone else. There is an opportunity cost to signing anyone that needs to be considered. Maybe both Toby and Eriksen walk into super clubs and get paid the earth, but I suspect we would have heard more noise from those clubs already by now if they were going to have that happen. If you ask me, I don’t think it’s a given they get the money they think they think they deserve. In Eriksen’s case I think it’s a playing style thing, and in both cases I think it’s a mentality thing. Neither strike me as the kind of ruthless winners the top clubs seek from a personality perspective. They aren’t obsessed like Kane, or have the big game roosteriness of a Dele. I think they are good, team orientated guys that Poch’s environment helps bring them up a level, but I don’t think they have the arrogance of a Hazard. And that’s probably why, despite being inconsistent over a number of seasons, Chelsea still manage to pick up some trophies. They have some bastards that are obsessed with winning.
 
He could quite easily be signed as an investment. Get him in for free, give him £8m signing on fee, give him £300k a week then sell him a season later for £60m.
 
Find me something that says he got the 8M signing fee plus the 400k a week and I’ll believe that. I think the way these figures are reported is that the sign on fee is rolled into something that is paid over time. By the same token I’d struggle to believe Arsenal gave Ozil 300k a week as his basic weekly wage - I’m pretty sure they juiced it with a sign on fee.

But my point is this - and if that ESPN article is to be believed, it’s something the Spurs camp feel too. We are not the only club that has a ‘wage structure’. Other clubs may have a larger budget than ours, but every club will pay their most important players the most, their squad players less, etc etc. Because every club needs to have some semblance of parity and order.

These clubs, be it Barca, Real, or Juve, clearly don’t view Eriksen as important enough to force our hand for given that he’d be available for a reasonable price this summer. Real went hard for Hazard because they wanted him. Barca don’t really have space. Juve are the only ones that really have recent track in bargain hunting for free agents and who’s to say what space they have next summer. Maybe they ship someone out and offer Eriksen the world to join. Maybe they don’t. I’ll bet they view Ramsey as a particularly important player. It will be interesting to see if Eriksen can get a move where he is viewed as important as he is at Spurs.

Because if clubs take a punt on him, they need space in the squad, and they need to have a plan for how they’ll use him. If Real view him as a Modric replacement, he’ll be paid big money. If they view him as a worthy squad player that they take a punt on, they will offer him less. Unless they are desperate for him, they aren’t offering him the world.

There’s the very real possibility that even if he leaves, he isn’t going to be a first choice. Clubs also have to weigh up whether they want to give him a seat in their squad or sign someone younger who may be more suited. Eriksen doesn’t strike me as a Real attacker. Barca got Frenkie. Juve have loads of players in his position.

I think Eriksen is playing a dangerous game because there is also the possibility that he burns his bridges with us and is forced to go somewhere else that isn’t Barca or Real and isn’t even us. Not that there will be bad feeling, just that if he continues to fumble about his plans we are going to have to move on and make plans without him. If we managed to get Dybala, it would have already put him in a really tricky spot for this season. He’s got a reprieve, so it will be interesting to see what happens.

To all the people that think he’s just going to walk in to one of the biggest teams in the world and get paid big money, it was assumed Toby would be gone the last two summers, because obviously he is class and obviously some club will take advantage of his contract situation. But it didn’t happen. Clubs have to value him enough over signing someone else. There is an opportunity cost to signing anyone that needs to be considered. Maybe both Toby and Eriksen walk into super clubs and get paid the earth, but I suspect we would have heard more noise from those clubs already by now if they were going to have that happen. If you ask me, I don’t think it’s a given they get the money they think they think they deserve. In Eriksen’s case I think it’s a playing style thing, and in both cases I think it’s a meteorology thing. Neither strike me as the kind of ruthless winners the top clubs seek from a personality perspective. They aren’t obsessed like Kane, or have the big game roosteriness of a Dele. I think they are good, team orientated guys that Poch’s environment helps bring them up a level, but I don’t think they have the arrogance of a Hazard. And that’s probably why, despite being inconsistent over a number of seasons, Chelsea still manage to pick up some trophies. They have some bastards that are obsessed with winning.

Great post.
 
He could quite easily be signed as an investment. Get him in for free, give him £8m signing on fee, give him £300k a week then sell him a season later for £60m.

that's 23m cash you are handing him, presumably there will be agent fee's too, then there is insurance, the value of the coaching and the nutrition you invest in him, impact on squad unity from a one season mercenary and the stall in development of the player earmarked for that role in the squad long term or a requirement to invest in a replacement

is it really worth it?
 
His conduct has been poor IMO. It has shown no respect for the club or a manager who placed al his faith in him, creating a system through which we play. I have no issue with what he wants to do, but the Wayne and his reps have gone about it is disrespectful. I am disappointed by it all. Of course I want him to stay because when he wants it and isn't distracted he is a great player, but at this point, I just want the 2nd to hurry up and arrive so as we can see WTF we are dealing with.

As for the staggered windows, how stupid!
 
Find me something that says he got the 8M signing fee plus the 400k a week and I’ll believe that. I think the way these figures are reported is that the sign on fee is rolled into something that is paid over time. By the same token I’d struggle to believe Arsenal gave Ozil 300k a week as his basic weekly wage - I’m pretty sure they juiced it with a sign on fee.

But my point is this - and if that ESPN article is to be believed, it’s something the Spurs camp feel too. We are not the only club that has a ‘wage structure’. Other clubs may have a larger budget than ours, but every club will pay their most important players the most, their squad players less, etc etc. Because every club needs to have some semblance of parity and order.

These clubs, be it Barca, Real, or Juve, clearly don’t view Eriksen as important enough to force our hand for given that he’d be available for a reasonable price this summer. Real went hard for Hazard because they wanted him. Barca don’t really have space. Juve are the only ones that really have recent track in bargain hunting for free agents and who’s to say what space they have next summer. Maybe they ship someone out and offer Eriksen the world to join. Maybe they don’t. I’ll bet they view Ramsey as a particularly important player. It will be interesting to see if Eriksen can get a move where he is viewed as important as he is at Spurs.

Because if clubs take a punt on him, they need space in the squad, and they need to have a plan for how they’ll use him. If Real view him as a Modric replacement, he’ll be paid big money. If they view him as a worthy squad player that they take a punt on, they will offer him less. Unless they are desperate for him, they aren’t offering him the world.

There’s the very real possibility that even if he leaves, he isn’t going to be a first choice. Clubs also have to weigh up whether they want to give him a seat in their squad or sign someone younger who may be more suited. Eriksen doesn’t strike me as a Real attacker. Barca got Frenkie. Juve have loads of players in his position.

I think Eriksen is playing a dangerous game because there is also the possibility that he burns his bridges with us and is forced to go somewhere else that isn’t Barca or Real and isn’t even us. Not that there will be bad feeling, just that if he continues to fumble about his plans we are going to have to move on and make plans without him. If we managed to get Dybala, it would have already put him in a really tricky spot for this season. He’s got a reprieve, so it will be interesting to see what happens.

To all the people that think he’s just going to walk in to one of the biggest teams in the world and get paid big money, it was assumed Toby would be gone the last two summers, because obviously he is class and obviously some club will take advantage of his contract situation. But it didn’t happen. Clubs have to value him enough over signing someone else. There is an opportunity cost to signing anyone that needs to be considered. Maybe both Toby and Eriksen walk into super clubs and get paid the earth, but I suspect we would have heard more noise from those clubs already by now if they were going to have that happen. If you ask me, I don’t think it’s a given they get the money they think they think they deserve. In Eriksen’s case I think it’s a playing style thing, and in both cases I think it’s a meteorology thing. Neither strike me as the kind of ruthless winners the top clubs seek from a personality perspective. They aren’t obsessed like Kane, or have the big game roosteriness of a Dele. I think they are good, team orientated guys that Poch’s environment helps bring them up a level, but I don’t think they have the arrogance of a Hazard. And that’s probably why, despite being inconsistent over a number of seasons, Chelsea still manage to pick up some trophies. They have some bastards that are obsessed with winning.

The difference between Eriksen and Alderweireld is age and position. A 27 year old attacker vs a 30 (31?) year old defender. These are completely different value propositions.

But yes, I do think its utterly bizarre nobody took Alderweireld for relative peanuts. I still dont know why - but I am pretty sure its not this whole heirachal thing you are trying to argue.

Buying players is business. Its about value. As much as its about football. Horrific, but true.

As I said up thread, any club that gets Eriksen for free can sell him on for £50m+ easily a season later.

And, as a value proposition, Eriksen on a free and (say) £300k a week is much better value than Eriksen for £50m and £200k a week.

I dont see a club looking at that equation and saying "Yeah, thats good, but what if we dont see him as all that senior?"

Of course they wont, because money talks. That difference of £100k is £5m a year, how many years would you have Eriksen in your squad before you got close to balancing off against his potential fee?

On the assumption Eriksen ends up at a big club, which is one I think is fair to make, I am certain he is in for big money wages if he is on a free.

And so I dont buy the argument you are convincing yourself of.
 
The difference between Eriksen and Alderweireld is age and position. A 27 year old attacker vs a 30 (31?) year old defender. These are completely different value propositions.

But yes, I do think its utterly bizarre nobody took Alderweireld for relative peanuts. I still dont know why - but I am pretty sure its not this whole heirachal thing you are trying to argue.

Buying players is business. Its about value. As much as its about football. Horrific, but true.

As I said up thread, any club that gets Eriksen for free can sell him on for £50m+ easily a season later.

And, as a value proposition, Eriksen on a free and (say) £300k a week is much better value than Eriksen for £50m and £200k a week.

I dont see a club looking at that equation and saying "Yeah, thats good, but what if we dont see him as all that senior?"

Of course they wont, because money talks. That difference of £100k is £5m a year, how many years would you have Eriksen in your squad before you got close to balancing off against his potential fee?

On the assumption Eriksen ends up at a big club, which is one I think is fair to make, I am certain he is in for big money wages if he is on a free.

And so I dont buy the argument you are convincing yourself of.

Who is buying him for £50M in two years that isn't buying him for £50M this summer? And why is Eriksen accepting that move?
 
Who is buying him for £50M in two years that isn't buying him for £50M this summer? And why is Eriksen accepting that move?

Anyone who needs a player like him. Perhaps Bayern after Coutinho doesnt tear up the Bundesliga? Who knows?

Or are you going to try and argue the market is now entirely static and predictable?

Why would Eriksen accept the move? Simple, to play football.

Lets play hypothetical. He agrees a pre-contract with Madrid in Jan. Joins in the summer. Spends the year there on the bench hardly playing because Madrid. Gets told Bayern are in for him, and either he goes there or he sits in the reserves (ala Bale). Simple choice to make at that point.

And - fun thing - even if Madrid ended up supplementing his wages at Bayern they would still profit on him!
 
That’s the point, he clearly thought he was going to be courted like Bale, this is going to have opened his eyes a bit.

I don’t think he did, he clearly said he was happy to stay if a new challenge didn’t come up.

Bale just went on strike to get his move.

We are seeing the results of Real/FFP and mismanagement.

They wanted Pogba and CE but can’t get either as they can’t spend.
 
His conduct has been poor IMO. It has shown no respect for the club or a manager who placed al his faith in him, creating a system through which we play. I have no issue with what he wants to do, but the Wayne and his reps have gone about it is disrespectful. I am disappointed by it all. Of course I want him to stay because when he wants it and isn't distracted he is a great player, but at this point, I just want the 2nd to hurry up and arrive so as we can see WTF we are dealing with.

As for the staggered windows, how stupid!

What has he done that’s so disrespectful ?

Says he fancies a change if something comes up?

He’s honoured the contract he’s signed, not gone on strike, turned up and played.

Compare that to Bales action
 
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