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Bono and the Facebook IPO

Gilzeantoscore said:
What is the drop out rate of facebook. Must say, I'm over it. I find that most of the content is just mindless, or out right annoying. Don't really care what 'friends' think of the latest spell of hot weather etc.
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it has to be getting high, but also there are more and more joining so probably covers that up. I never post on mine any more and tend to just visit mine once a day to see what people are doing and its mostly drivel. In fact i have stopped following so many of my mates cos they just post inane drivel its hardly worth me being on there anymore.
 
Again - people projecting their behaviours onto others.

I don't go on as much as I used to, but the actual stats show people aren't leaving, they are spending more and more trime on the site and the amount of revenue per user is increasing.

We think about Facebook in the UK context but in other countries there are far higher levels of usage. The Latino community has the highest levels of penetration with 54% of all latinos on Facebook....and they use it VERY heavily.

Black and Indians as well.

And for every security conscious people there are 10 out there who haven't got a fudging scooby.
 
Leeds Spur said:
The ?ú115 billion valuation is gonad*s, probably worth a tenth of that.

But it will be a very big and profiatble business for many years to come, IN MY OPINION.
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Most definitely. One of my best friends mate is the founder of TBG

He is a multi-multi millionaire from Facebook. He's often interviewed when there's a facebook story.

Did you know that the bank involved in the IPO spent millions buying up shares to save them from embarrassment?

It was another Wall Street bailout — but this time the banks had to cough up the cash.


Facebook’s underwriters propped up the social-network’s trading debut yesterday, as the shares threatened to crash through the initial public offering price of $38.

The banks working on the massive $16 billion IPO, including Morgan Stanley, JPMorgan Chase and Goldman Sachs, did their duty by buying up large blocks of Facebook stock toward the end of the day to support the price.

Facebook shares opened up 11 percent at $42.05, and traded as high as $45, before running out of steam, disappointing investors hoping for a big first-day pop. The shares closed up just 0.6 percent at $38.23.

Without the bank bailout, Facebook’s IPO would have been a loser on the day, Wall Street insiders said.

The heavy buying, however, cut into the banks’ already meager fees on the deal. The underwriters agreed to accept a smaller cut — just 1.1 percent of the $16 billion Facebook raised in the IPO — in order to land the high-profile assignment.

After splitting $176 million in fees, the firms likely spent more than they made in fees by buying the swooning stock. Sam Hamadeh, CEO of research firm Privco, believes the banks spent around $380 million on Facebook stock.
 
Yes mate - I posted the link further up on the thread to the Fox report?

You could see on Friday that there was support for the shares at $38 - it was falling like a stone and they had bu step in @ $38 to stop is falling below the initial IPO level.
 
Absolutely - it's known as the tech index......but if it cannot cope with volumes then it's dead. You can trade your shares anywhere at the end of the day.
 
spursman17 said:
I can't see this being a problem. Advertising of today is clever with the use of Javascript and similar client-side scripting.

Adverts can make use of minimal spacing yet expose itself when the user is thinking about making a purchase.
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S-1 Registration Statement: Risk Factors, Point 3

"...the rate of growth in mobile users will continue to exceed the growth rate of our overall MAUs for the foreseeable future" and then "...We do not currently directly generate any meaningful revenue from the use of Facebook mobile products, and our ability to do so successfully is unproven".

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1326801/000119312512034517/d287954ds1.htm#toc287954_2
 
Sheikh Ma Nuggets said:
S-1 Registration Statement: Risk Factors, Point 3

"...the rate of growth in mobile users will continue to exceed the growth rate of our overall MAUs for the foreseeable future" and then "...We do not currently directly generate any meaningful revenue from the use of Facebook mobile products, and our ability to do so successfully is unproven".

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1326801/000119312512034517/d287954ds1.htm#toc287954_2
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Agreed, this is just a SWAT analysis that they need to file due to SEC regulations about full disclosure though.
 
Leeds Spur said:
Currently down 11% at 33.82.......94 P/E ratio? No thanks!
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94 P/E!!!

Heading for a big tumble. I bought a load of mining stocks on Friday. (Petropav P/E 5.3)

Got them for under 4 quid. 52-week high of over ?ú9.

They have taken an almighty battering over the last few months as the Gold price has tumbled.

I think they're brilliant value at the moment. And they pay a good dividend.

Particularly when everybody comes running back to Gold when they realise the banks still don't have any money!
 
Real companies today advertise via Facebook. TV adverts are absolutely gonad*s. Everyone uses social networks, but not everyone watches TV adverts. Anyway, TV adverts aren't interactive and can't be viral, and only last 30 seconds every once every 2 or 3 breaks, not to mention everyone using Sky+ these days. My mum only watches recorded programmes, then once her and her boyfriend have finished working, they sit down to watch all their recorded TV for the day with no adverts.

The best companies use Facebook.
 
spursman17 said:
Highly overrated and the shares will fall big in time in the distant future.

Myspace, Bebo just a few examples of how fast an internet based social site can change from an over $1billion value to less than $100m.

In my opinion it is very high risk. A competitor can come and take much of your market share with an outstanding feature (facebook did this with their newsfeed) and now some of the market are already preferring the less hassle and simplicity of Twitter.

Myspace in its day was top of the foodchain. I remember getting Facebook and friends hadn't even heard of it. Now it has taken the prime position. Anyone at the top can be toppled. People would have never thought Myspace would be in the position today when it was in its prime.

$100Billion?! No way. People are already starting to pick up on the depressive side of being overexposed to friends and their actions. Studies are shedding light on the effects of real life relationships and how they are having a negative effect;


http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2248/is_138_35/ai_66171001/
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For FB to continue it must maintain its core appeal, otherwise who would they be marketing to and thus monetising? I can see it declining as technology moves on, and the furor surrrounding privacy will do it no favours. The internet can create juggernauts like FB overnight, it can also destroy them overnight.
 
COYS said:
Real companies today advertise via Facebook. TV adverts are absolutely gonad*s. Everyone uses social networks, but not everyone watches TV adverts. Anyway, TV adverts aren't interactive and can't be viral, and only last 30 seconds every once every 2 or 3 breaks, not to mention everyone using Sky+ these days. My mum only watches recorded programmes, then once her and her boyfriend have finished working, they sit down to watch all their recorded TV for the day with no adverts.

The best companies use Facebook.
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I've never looked at or clicked on an ad on facebook, ever

Yet as I mentioned earlier, I know a very wealthy guy that's makes millions in several countries because of facebook

Still, they say the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist

Perhaps Facebook have gone one better and have convinced business that customers are buying their products BECAUSE of facebook
 
southstand1882 said:
I've never looked at or clicked on an ad on facebook, ever

Yet as I mentioned earlier, I know a very wealthy guy that's makes millions in several countries because of facebook

Still, they say the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist

Perhaps Facebook have gone one better and have convinced business that customers are buying their products BECAUSE of facebook
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Interesting reading, this entire thread...it is a fascinating story the FB one...for what it's worth re: the Bono story, he did not personally invest 90 ill, he was part of a group who did and apparently his share is relatively small...

I think the final line of your comment is spot-on...it's really incredible, the whole thing...have to say I've never fully understood the financial world, other than to view it with sceptism and the feeling that it is entirely manipulated by a few in much the same way as Vegas is...I'm sure this is simplistic and somewhat ignorant, but it's just the feeling I have...
 
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