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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

Legohamster said:
If the manager wanted him then yes - we are not a poor club and this is the market we operate in.

But of course if levy hadn’t tried to play games with Villa it wouldn’t have cost 45 million.

Saying there is literally no one out there to improve the squad is just a joke, sadly people actually buy it.

Why would anything on the past pages change the fact that.

We didn’t sign anyone
The squad is tired and we are now seeing injuries because of it
We have 2 players in Janssen and nkodou that are not even able to play
Llorente won’t play more than the odd minute
Squad depth was an issue before so having the same numbers isn’t a fix.
No news on Christian/Jan/Dembele contracts.

We needed players and no one is suggesting we spend 200 million plus, but the chairman, DC and the manager said there was money to spend.
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Can you not see that there is value from a negotiation perspective in holding your line and not being seen to pay up eventually just because the other side demanded it? We bid 25M for Grealish by all accounts - the same Leceister paid for James Maddison. To pay more when he wasn't even a player we were desperate for is just bad business. Sure, we could have afforded to pay a bit more, and in the context of that one deal, it isn't so bad. But when we start paying just a little bit more for the next player, and the next, and the next, we quickly start getting to a point we can't afford. And worse, clubs will keep telling us to up our bid expecting us to pay up. There is value in sending the message that our bid is our bid.

I think if there was a dearth of attacking midfielders in our squad and Poch was desperate for Grealish, Levy would have tried harder. Again, this is all an assumption of 'Levy vs Poch' rather than Poch being perfectly fine and actually the driver with a lot of these things.

A lot of your other points are without context. N'Koudou is a back up. Llorente is a back up. Janssen we are happy to bomb out. What do you suggest we do with our WC participants? Sell Kane? Sell Dele? Sell Eriksen? Sell Jan? Or get back ups for them...maybe like Sanchez? Like Lamela? Like Moura?
 
BrainOfLevy said:
Can you not see that there is value from a negotiation perspective in holding your line and not being seen to pay up eventually just because the other side demanded it? We bid 25M for Grealish by all accounts - the same Leceister paid for James Maddison. To pay more when he wasn't even a player we were desperate for is just bad business. Sure, we could have afforded to pay a bit more, and in the context of that one deal, it isn't so bad. But when we start paying just a little bit more for the next player, and the next, and the next, we quickly start getting to a point we can't afford. And worse, clubs will keep telling us to up our bid expecting us to pay up. There is value in sending the message that our bid is our bid.

I think if there was a dearth of attacking midfielders in our squad and Poch was desperate for Grealish, Levy would have tried harder. Again, this is all an assumption of 'Levy vs Poch' rather than Poch being perfectly fine and actually the driver with a lot of these things.

A lot of your other points are without context. N'Koudou is a back up. Llorente is a back up. Janssen we are happy to bomb out. What do you suggest we do with our WC participants? Sell Kane? Sell Dele? Sell Eriksen? Sell Jan? Or get back ups for them...maybe like Sanchez? Like Lamela? Like Moura?
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I agree with the sentiment of the post but I think the 25m bid for Grealish would have had more chance if it had been the opening bid rather than following the derisory Onomah + 2m bid. As we don’t have the biggest financial muscle sometimes there is more to getting a deal done than just trying to squeeze the last drop out of someone, especially as the future relationship may be dependent on it. I’ve heard other clubs say Levy has made deals that have been accepted then changed terms last minute, knowing that as it’s so far down the line the selling club will accept which I can see leaving a club less likely to do a deal with him in future.
 
MKSpur said:
I agree with the sentiment of the post but I think the 25m bid for Grealish would have had more chance if it had been the opening bid rather than following the derisory Onomah + 2m bid. As we don’t have the biggest financial muscle sometimes there is more to getting a deal done than just trying to squeeze the last drop out of someone, especially as the future relationship may be dependent on it. I’ve heard other clubs say Levy has made deals that have been accepted then changed terms last minute, knowing that as it’s so far down the line the selling club will accept which I can see leaving a club less likely to do a deal with him in future.
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There are rumours that we are after Rabiot in the jan window... if and its a big if we now think at the level of players we want there is more value in the January window it would make some sense of the summer window. Re the derisory offer this was made when Villa were in brick street looking like there was no immediate way out, the fact the situation changed (it was unexpected) made it look like a bad decision but at the time it was less clear.
 
MKSpur said:
I agree with the sentiment of the post but I think the 25m bid for Grealish would have had more chance if it had been the opening bid rather than following the derisory Onomah + 2m bid. As we don’t have the biggest financial muscle sometimes there is more to getting a deal done than just trying to squeeze the last drop out of someone, especially as the future relationship may be dependent on it. I’ve heard other clubs say Levy has made deals that have been accepted then changed terms last minute, knowing that as it’s so far down the line the selling club will accept which I can see leaving a club less likely to do a deal with him in future.
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Why would anyone's opening salvo in a negotiation be the maximum they're willing to pay?
 
MKSpur said:
I agree with the sentiment of the post but I think the 25m bid for Grealish would have had more chance if it had been the opening bid rather than following the derisory Onomah + 2m bid. As we don’t have the biggest financial muscle sometimes there is more to getting a deal done than just trying to squeeze the last drop out of someone, especially as the future relationship may be dependent on it. I’ve heard other clubs say Levy has made deals that have been accepted then changed terms last minute, knowing that as it’s so far down the line the selling club will accept which I can see leaving a club less likely to do a deal with him in future.
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Do you want to buy a boat?
 
scaramanga said:
Why would anyone's opening salvo in a negotiation be the maximum they're willing to pay?
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Agreed. So if the max is 25 open with something around 20, the point I was making if the opening bid is so far away from the max then there is less chance of a realistic counter.
 
MKSpur said:
Agreed. So if the max is 25 open with something around 20, the point I was making if the opening bid is so far away from the max then there is less chance of a realistic counter.
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The only time the other side won't respond with a realistic counter is if they don't want a deal.
 
on one hand its a push bike that's done a few miles, it's roadworthy, the tires are solid and the lights work, how quick can it go remains to be seen but it's sound

the boat has never even been in the water
 
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