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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by SpurMeUp, 19 Feb 2019.

  1. Rorschach

    Rorschach Terry Dyson

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    Will all the ex-pats in Spain have to come back to the UK?
     
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  2. parklane1

    parklane1 Paul Stewart

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    This.
     
  3. AuroRaman

    AuroRaman Jonathan Woodgate

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    Isn't that what we have already?
     
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  4. scaramanga

    scaramanga George Hunt Staff Member

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    No, the current one favours Europeans over others
     
  5. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Les Ferdinand

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    When America broadcast radio over Cuba, encouraging Cubans to defect to the US, Fidel Castro opened up the jails and sent all their hardened criminals accross the 50 miles of sea to Key West. Will Spain do the same to us? Or will we get rid of the Albanian gangs?

    73 days until we supposedly find out.
     
  6. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Les Ferdinand

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    Are Europeans a race?
     
  7. Rorschach

    Rorschach Terry Dyson

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    I was thinking more of the 1mil or so UK pensioners that live in Spain ;)
     
  8. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    Absolutely. Europid and Caucasian are interchangeable words
     
  9. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Les Ferdinand

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    White people? Not sure "Europid" has been deemed a race since victorian times?
     
  10. scaramanga

    scaramanga George Hunt Staff Member

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    Doesn't have to be - just has to discriminate against any other race to be unacceptable.
     
  11. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Les Ferdinand

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    Other than what? Which race are we positively discriminating at the moment?
     
  12. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    Black people, brown people, yellow people etc.

    Ask a British Indian about bringing a family member to the UK. Or what it's like marrying someone from Egypt or Taiwan.

    We discriminate against people like that, but let any white person from Estonia or Portugal, with no personal connections, walk in
     
  13. scaramanga

    scaramanga George Hunt Staff Member

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    Like he said. We have an open immigration policy to anyone European, but discriminate against everyone else.

    We even discriminate against Australians (which is perfectly acceptable because they're all racists).
     
  14. Lost Mango

    Lost Mango Ramon Vega

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    What about a black person from Portugal?

    Oh that's right. They can walk in as well.

    Using colour as a total red Herring.

    We discriminate based on geopolitical economic agreements. All we are now doing is changing those agreements to favour/discriminate differently.

    To try and play a moral colour card is laughable (as is your derivative definition of Caucasian as white)
     
  15. Gutter Boy

    Gutter Boy Tim Sherwood

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    But 99% of Europeans are white. It's just a technical way of managing the system without being explicitly racist.

    The point is in future we can make case-by-case judgements, treating everyone in the world the same, based on more human-centric criteria
     
  16. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Les Ferdinand

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    Portugese or Estonian is not a race, it is a nationality. Plenty of Portuguese people are black of Brazilian or African origin.

    The great irony is that opinion polls shows that those who don't like immigrants, prefer white ones. The immigrants Brits tend not to like are the ones say wearing a hijab who don't speak English that the NHS has to provide interpretors for. In short those who tend to be bought over by family members, which is what you think we should prioritise? Over European immigrants who tend to be well educated, speak English and often go home once they've picked fruit or finished the building job?

    The irony is brexit is set to deliver the opposite of what opinion polls tell us Brits want. It is quite funny really.
     
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  17. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Les Ferdinand

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    White is not a race though. Unless you're a Victorian.
     
  18. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Les Ferdinand

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    They are even worse! Let them clog up the Spanish health care system*.

    * Trying to aspire to Scara talk
     
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  19. ricky2tricky4city

    ricky2tricky4city Paul Stalteri

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    Post them up please.

    @Gutter Boy 's last sentence is all that matters here ....

    The point is in future we can make case-by-case judgements, treating everyone in the world the same, based on more human-centric criteria

    Run immigration in that way and all discrimination, colour, racism debates/arguments are void.
     
  20. SpurMeUp

    SpurMeUp Les Ferdinand

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    Can't find the Professor at Uni of Cantabury who specialises in this stuff (and who I got this off). But found this off the bat:

    British people make clear distinctions between immigrants based on their country of origin. Just 10% of a 2017 sample (surveyed online) said that no Australians should be allowed to come and live in Britain compared to 37% saying that no Nigerians should be allowed. In between are France (similar to Australia) Poland (more middling), and Romania and Pakistan (more similar to Nigeria). Such patterns have sometimes been described as an ‘ethnic hierarchy’ (Ford, 2011). At the preferred end of the scale are those who are white, English-speaking, Europeans and Christian countries while at the least preferred are non-whites, non-Europeans and Muslim countries. Romania is an interesting anomaly. Despite being a European and Christian country, opposition to immigration from Romania is at similar levels to opposition to immigration from Pakistan. This may reflect an association with Roma (Allen, 2014).

    https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac....ation-overall-attitudes-and-level-of-concern/
     
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