***OMT - Tottenham Hotspur v Emirates Marketing Project***

[SteveAWOL]

Where do you get those data from? I thought they'd shut that stat zone down

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[Robspur12]

Essentially it's this - City are currently one of the best teams of all time and certainly have the right to claim being the best British side ever after last season, you can try and pin point where we set up wrong all you want but sometimes you just have to hold your hands up, when a team like Guardiolas City bring their A-game it'll take something special/lucky to come out the other side with anything other than a solid beating.

If that is the case, then playing the goons in 2 weeks time should be a better measure of where we are as a squad.

 

[JerusalemMan]

Yup, no surprise to see that Emirates Marketing Project’s passmap looks rather better structured than ours.

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Really interesting to see how peripheral Aguero is in that funnel of a pass network

 

[Bedfordspurs]

If that is the case, then playing the goons in 2 weeks time should be a better measure of where we are as a squad.

Yes it should
Although Derbies are sometimes a banana skin for the better side
I’d argue this Sunday is the bench mark. We should batter Saudi Sportswashing Machine by rights and anything less than the villa result could be argued negatively

 

[SteveAWOL]

Really interesting to see how peripheral Aguero is in that funnel of a pass network

Can see why Guardiola gets annoyed with Aguero’s lack of involvement, as Jesus did as much in last 30 minutes as former did in an hour... well apart from score a goal!



Meanwhile our Harry ended up having to drop into midfield to get a touch of the ball.

 

[wiziwig]

I like the jist of your post and agree 2ith the concept, nuts not with the marks. You give Lamela a rating 8/7 [emoji53] yes his instant control is decent but nothing I would call exceptional, bit he has a 7 for ball carrying is ridiculously generous. His ball carrying technique is poor he often trips over his own feet and had to check his own run because he has over pushed the ball.

I also disagree quite strongly with your Eriksen rating as he is incredibly easy to disposses. Eriksen is more like a 6 even you have KDB as a 9 who is incredibly hard to get the ball off and has excellent press resistance and Lamela is a 4. Watch the city game back, he loses the virtually any time a city player is within a few yards of him. He is not a good ball carrier.

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I take on board our differences regarding Eriksen and Lamela but to be honest, I were thinking not to include the front three of Lamela, Kane and Eriksen in my post as they wouldn't be the main players in our efforts of getting past the Emirates Marketing Project press, deep in our third..

So under scrutiny are these players ...

KWP... 7/6 .... TOBY... 6/5.... SANCHEZ....5/5.... ROSE...5/7.

SISS... 4/7.... WINKS... 6/6....N'DOMBELE 7/7.

Poch has the insistence of playing from Lloris to the back line and I sometimes think even more so when he's up against the big boys, maybe as a show of pride that his team can match the best, idk. To play a few long balls and bypass the midfield is almost like showing a sign of weakness, especially when up against Pep Guardiola's Emirates Marketing Project.

When I saw the line-up prior to kick off and with Son suspended, I imagined that Pep knew, that with Moura on the bench we would be playing almost everything from goalkeeper to the back line. Emirates Marketing Project could press without the fear of Spurs hitting them with a long ball over the top as we weren't set up for that. This proved so and I think it were a big ask by Poch of the players he had out there..

Looking at our central pairing who were often on the ball from a Lloris pass;

Toby was surrounded by inexperience, two poor ball control players and Winks who's probably average at best in that dept..

KWP.. .... TOBY..... SANCHEZ
SISS....... WINKS

Sanchez who is not overly confident on the ball even when there is no press by the opposition, is surrounded by three players who are average at best with their instant ball control, plus a new signing still finding his feet..

TOBY.... SANCHEZ..... ROSE..
WINKS.....N'DOMBELE

When Lloris went to our full-backs first, Emirates Marketing Project had no problem overloading their area with a press, meaning, we soon lost the ball to City regardless who LLoris passed out to in our backline.. I think Poch's player selection, was unsuited to the tactic of playing out from the back almost every time.

Not that that they missed any sitters but we got a draw due to their ineptness in and around our penalty box - maybe they feel the nerves when up against us?

We also got the draw due to three Lamela moments; first was his goal. Second was, despite being surrounded by their defenders - his delightful dink into their penalty area to Eriksen which caused a panic clearance for a corner..Third, was Lucas' goal from that very corner. Lamela hits a peach of a corner nearly every time - bit of a dead ball specialist and I feel it's time that he's also given a go at free-kicks on the edge of an opponent's penalty box...

 

[Bishop]

One of the primary issues we have with playing from the back is that Lloris' kicking is quite poor. He does try but he rarely plays a pass into space or at a height that is quickly controlled. If you compare to Ederson, Ter Stegen or Allison you see the clear difference in the quality of the pass the player receives from their keeper.

I also notice that that the two players on front of Winks need to come towards the ball more, in both games so far this season the receiver of the first pass has little option to pass forwards. Ndombele needs to make his presence more apparent in these situations and hopefully we eventually get Lo Celso in the other midfield berth. Between them the hopeful vast improvement in press resistance will help make Poch's ideas with regards passing from the back work.

Sissoko is not an option in such a system.


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[mudshark]

Lloris must have one of the highest pass-attempt-goes-nowhere-near-intended-recipient-and-results-directly-in-opposition-throw counts in the division as well. I get fed up with seeing him do that.

 

[Baleforce]

His biggest kicking flaw is the power he puts into it, it's all well and good chipping it accurately to the FB on the touch line, but the ball is in the air so long the receiver is closed down whilst still controlling it.

 

[Spurs7891]

This is a good result for us ! It was not a good performance but since we had lost our previous 6 away league matches, have poor record against Emirates Marketing Project and had the error-prone KWP and Sanchez in defence, this draw feel like a win ! But we did ride our luck with VAR coming to our rescue yet again ! We also faced a total of 30 shots which is the most we have faced in a league match since 2011 ! Fortunately for us, we scored both our goals at crucial times to stop City. But Pochettino needs to learn when to make substitutions. He was right to bring on Moura who immediately scored our second goal but it was stupid and needless to bring on the inexperienced Lo Celso and Skipp for Lamela and Eriksen. I think that unsettled us and caused us to concede the injury time goal which was fortunately ruled out by VAR.

Credit to Lamela and Moura for our goals. Both the goals came at a very crucial times, especially the goal by Lamela. It was a great long range goal by Lamela, just passing the ball beyond the goalie. Don't think anyone saw Lamela scoring from that distance. If Salah had scored that goal, the English media would have called it the goal of the century and would discuss about it for the next 100 years ! I think if Lamela didn't score that goal immediately after ManCity scored their first goal, we could have lost this match by 5 or 6 goals ! That goal shocked and unsettled Emirates Marketing Project. Apart from that goal, Lamela also did well to assist the goal for Moura with an inch perfect corner. It was a great header by Moura immediately after coming on in the second half. Other than that, we didn't have any other goal scoring chances. Kane and Eriksen were poor and were hardly in the match.

Our midfield were poor in this match. We let Emirates Marketing Project control almost the whole match. Ndombele and Winks couldn't handle Emirates Marketing Project. Wish we had a far better defensive midfielder like Wanyama, instead of Winks. Winks simply doesn't win the ball as much as Wanyama. Ndombele is still new but he needs to dominate the midfield like Dembele once did. But credit to Ndombele for getting the assist for Lamela's goal.

Our defence did well to keep the score down in this match. Was worried to see the error-prone Sanchez and KWP starting in defence. And both of them and Alderweireld were at fault for us conceding both the goals. But they improved in the second half. But this match showed we need Vertonghen and Alderweireld in defence against the big teams. Credit to Lloris for pulling off a few important saves to stop Emirates Marketing Project.

With this draw, we are now winless in 7 consecutive away matches in the league. Remember we have no away win in the league since beating Fulham in January. But at least we managed to draw this match after losing the previous 6 away matches. We do need to improve our performance if we want to do well in the league this season.

 

[Jurgen the German]

If that is the case, then playing the goons in 2 weeks time should be a better measure of where we are as a squad.

I won’t read too much into the game against scum. We lose at their place more often than not and I fear it’s not a good time to play them especially as we have numerous players with unresolved issues regarding their futures. Also read a stat on BBC stating we have picked up 7 points away from home in 2019. I’d be delighted with a 4 points from the next two games.

 

[glorygloryeze]

I won’t read too much into the game against scum. We lose at their place more often than not and I fear it’s not a good time to play them especially as we have numerous players with unresolved issues regarding their futures. Also read a stat on BBC stating we have picked up 7 points away from home in 2019. I’d be delighted with a 4 points from the next two games.

Our away form has indeed been shocking. However, we have finally stopped the rot and against a team you'd have to feel is far better than the Goons now.
I also think it's probably better for us to play them as they are missing more players and still looking to get their cohesion overall as well...i'd be very disappointed if after getting a point (which very few will get) at the Etihad to then lose again at the Emirates. A point should be a minimum we aim to get from there imo

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

I won’t read too much into the game against scum. We lose at their place more often than not and I fear it’s not a good time to play them especially as we have numerous players with unresolved issues regarding their futures. Also read a stat on BBC stating we have picked up 7 points away from home in 2019. I’d be delighted with a 4 points from the next two games.

We lost last year because we played their game, IMO, rather naively.

We were a better team, but instead of showing it we allowed them to drag us down to a kick and rush typical derby scrap type affair.

They got in our heads, we let them, which was the biggest complaint for me. tinkled me right off if Im honest.

I dont mind losing a game if we are outplayed, thats sport, but to allow ourselves to be played was incredibly frustrating.

Id be very happy with a win against Saudi Sportswashing Machine and draw with Arsenal, still unbeaten - winning at home, and picking up points at difficult away games - but truthfully I think we should be going there to win.

Itll mean keeping our focus though, and not getting dragged into a scrappy and emotional game.

 

[glorygloryeze]

We lost last year because we played their game, IMO, rather naively.

We were a better team, but instead of showing it we allowed them to drag us down to a kick and rush typical derby scrap type affair.

They got in our heads, we let them, which was the biggest complaint for me. tinkled me right off if Im honest.

I dont mind losing a game if we are outplayed, thats sport, but to allow ourselves to be played was incredibly frustrating.

Id be very happy with a win against Saudi Sportswashing Machine and draw with Arsenal, still unbeaten - winning at home, and picking up points at difficult away games - but truthfully I think we should be going there to win.

Itll mean keeping our focus though, and not getting dragged into a scrappy and emotional game.

Don't forget we also had two hard, physically and mentally taxing games vs Chelsea and Inter in the week leading up to that game, whilst Arsenal had effectively a week off with just a (effectively dead rubber) Europa league game in the week leading up to the game (plus another relatively easy game vs Bournemouth as well).

The good thing is that this time they wont have that preparation advantage in the week leading up to the game.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

Don't forget we also had two hard, physically and mentally taxing games vs Chelsea and Inter in the week leading up to that game, whilst Arsenal had effectively a week off with just a (effectively dead rubber) Europa league game in the week leading up to the game (plus another relatively easy game vs Bournemouth as well).

The good thing is that this time they wont have that preparation advantage in the week leading up to the game.

Even with that taken into account, which might explain a degree of mental fatigue, I still think we were undone basically by mind games.

I think if we keep our heads we should win.

 

[glorygloryeze]

Even with that taken into account, which might explain a degree of mental fatigue, I still think we were undone basically by mind games.

I think if we keep our heads we should win.

Yeah we can, maybe even should. However, i feel we need to up our own game as we seem a bit disjointed at present. I'm sure they also have a high conversion re goals too and we don't look very hard to breach atm.

Hopefully we'll see an upturn in level vs Saudi Sportswashing Machine this weekend

 

[wiziwig]

One of the primary issues we have with playing from the back is that Lloris' kicking is quite poor. He does try but he rarely plays a pass into space or at a height that is quickly controlled. If you compare to Ederson, Ter Stegen or Allison you see the clear difference in the quality of the pass the player receives from their keeper.

I also notice that that the two players on front of Winks need to come towards the ball more, in both games so far this season the receiver of the first pass has little option to pass forwards. Ndombele needs to make his presence more apparent in these situations and hopefully we eventually get Lo Celso in the other midfield berth. Between them the hopeful vast improvement in press resistance will help make Poch's ideas with regards passing from the back work.

Sissoko is not an option in such a system.


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As much as Lloris can at times be poor with ball at his feet and with his kicking - looking down the Premier league table, no goalie from the other teams sticks out that I think is so that much better.. Schmeichel at Leicester , Jordan Pickford at Everton and Heaton at Villa are all decent kickers of the ball but also prone to errors with the ball at their feet? I know a few Man Utd fans and all seem to be in unison that as great a shot stopper De Gea is, his kicking is average at best, same with Kepa at Chelsea. I'm fine with Lloris compared to what the other teams have but I do agree with what @galeforce has pointed out in his post #849, to many floated passes by Hugo, taking to long to arrive to the player he's passing to ..

Just as you suggested, I managed to watch the game again and, with a Spurs pal and we talked about the game as it played out..You correctly pointed out in a previous post that both Eriksen and Lamela did lose possession a few times too many and, if we were still running a player rating match thread then I'm afraid Kane would have to have the lowest score out of the team...He just didn't win hardly any of his one on one situations and, was especially very poor in his aerial duels and it were left to Moura coming on as sub having to show him how it's done..

One last observation having watched the game again - N'dombele grew into the game and was immense towards the end of the game, making a couple of tackles and interceptions in and around our penalty box..Once up to speed, he really will be beast of the PL..

 

[Bishop]

As much as Lloris can at times be poor with ball at his feet and with his kicking - looking down the Premier league table, no goalie from the other teams sticks out that I think is so that much better.. Schmeichel at Leicester , Jordan Pickford at Everton and Heaton at Villa are all decent kickers of the ball but also prone to errors with the ball at their feet? I know a few Man Utd fans and all seem to be in unison that as great a shot stopper De Gea is, his kicking is average at best, same with Kepa at Chelsea. I'm fine with Lloris compared to what the other teams have but I do agree with what @galeforce has pointed out in his post #849, to many floated passes by Hugo, taking to long to arrive to the player he's passing to ..

Just as you suggested, I managed to watch the game again and, with a Spurs pal and we talked about the game as it played out..You correctly pointed out in a previous post that both Eriksen and Lamela did lose possession a few times too many and, if we were still running a player rating match thread then I'm afraid Kane would have to have the lowest score out of the team...He just didn't win hardly any of his one on one situations and, was especially very poor in his aerial duels and it were left to Moura coming on as sub having to show him how it's done..

One last observation having watched the game again - N'dombele grew into the game and was immense towards the end of the game, making a couple of tackles and interceptions in and around our penalty box..Once up to speed, he really will be beast of the PL..

I agree in general the PL keepers are not the best kickers of the ball. It's just our issue is we are trying to play that way and to do it really well you need the comfort and control that Allison and Ederson display. In other respects I'm happy enough with Lloris, it is just a obvious weakness of his game.

As I say hopefully improving on the quality and control of the players he is passing too will help mitigate it somewhat.

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[Jurgen the German]

Our away form has indeed been shocking. However, we have finally stopped the rot and against a team you'd have to feel is far better than the Goons now.
I also think it's probably better for us to play them as they are missing more players and still looking to get their cohesion overall as well...i'd be very disappointed if after getting a point (which very few will get) at the Etihad to then lose again at the Emirates. A point should be a minimum we aim to get from there imo

I fully agree we should be aiming to win but history suggests we freeze against them at their place and quite often lose by two goals or more even when we have a better team than them.