New Super League proposal. German, french, spanish and italian leagues to combine.

[Lilbaz]

A new superleague combining la liga, Bundesliga, ligue un, and serie a are being proposed to combat the premier league. Can't see it going forward, the fa's of those countries will be against it. Other countries in europe would probably be against it, putting pressure on the eu. Clubs in those countries other than the elite will probably be against it. But we'll see.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/transfer-spending-premier-league-super-league-000407191.html

 

[Lemonade Money]

A new superleague combining la liga, Bundesliga, ligue un, and serie a are being proposed to combat the premier league. Can't see it going forward, the fa's of those countries will be against it. Other countries in europe would probably be against it, putting pressure on the eu. Clubs in those countries other than the elite will probably be against it. But we'll see.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/transfer-spending-premier-league-super-league-000407191.html

Can't see bayern, Madrid and barca swapping a big piece of their league, for a smaller piece of that league.

 

[Lilbaz]

Can't see bayern, Madrid and barca swapping a big piece of their league, for a smaller piece of that league.

It's perez idea i believe. Similar to the original super league. More tv revenue split between fewer teams. Someone mentioned €400m a season for each club. Although where they get that figure from i've no idea.

La liga brought in new rules a few years back to distribute tv revenue more fairly. The only stipulation being that a club couldn't get less money. So barca and madrid would agree to it. This meant that barca and madrid were still getting the biggest slice but now if the tv revenue goes up it mostly goes to other teams in the league rather than barca or madrid. Eventually they're hoping to get it the same as the prem. So the only way for barca and madrid to increase revenue from tv is cl or getting out of la liga.

 

[johnola]

The obvious step would then would be for the Premier League to step away from European competition and starve Europe of interest and money.

The options for English clubs are global and the connections to North America, Africa, Asia and the Middle East are already strong. This is our national game we don’t have any obligations to continental clubs.

All this is because Barcelona spent excessively over a long period of time artificially inflating their relevance.

 

[Lilbaz]

The obvious step would then would be for the Premier League to step away from European competition and starve Europe of interest and money.

The options for English clubs are global and the connections to North America, Africa, Asia and the Middle East are already strong. This is our national game we don’t have any obligations to continental clubs.

All this is because Barcelona spent excessively over a long period of time artificially inflating their relevance.

Not sure how that would be a good move. This isn't anything to do with uefa, they are actually very much against it. As would be the fa's of each of those countries. Uefa represent 55 nations. This is only 4.
If we did pull out of uefa competitions such as the cl players would be less likely to want to come here. Teams would earn less money not just from prize money, but sponsors, matchday etc...
What happens to the national team? Can't play in european cups.

 

[johnola]

Not sure how that would be a good move. This isn't anything to do with uefa, they are actually very much against it. As would be the fa's of each of those countries. Uefa represent 55 nations. This is only 4.
If we did pull out of uefa competitions such as the cl players would be less likely to want to come here. Teams would earn less money not just from prize money, but sponsors, matchday etc...
What happens to the national team? Can't play in european cups.

You have to look again at the super league proposal and how that completely alters the need for and qualifying dynamic of the champions league before asking how any reactionary moves by other nations impact on it.

What happens if only four teams qualify for ECL from that western euro continent league? What happens if they negotiate more qualifying spots- why wouldn’t a clearly more powerful EPL insist on a matching quota?

This is all about money and the power is firmly in the hands of English football. We really should be pressing home our advantages and not allow weaker rivals dictate terms.

 

[Lilbaz]

You have to look again at the super league proposal and how that completely alters the need for and qualifying dynamic of the champions league before asking how any reactionary moves by other nations impact on it.

What happens if only four teams qualify for ECL from that western euro continent league? What happens if they negotiate more qualifying spots- why wouldn’t a clearly more powerful EPL insist on a matching quota?

This is all about money and the power is firmly in the hands of English football. We really should be pressing home our advantages and not support aggressive rivals dictate terms.

Uefa are against it. They probably won't let teams in an esl play in the champions league. The eu will be against it, they represent 27 nations in an open market. The german fa will be against it as will the french, italian and spanish (tebas said so in march). They won't want their best teams leaving and devaluing their competitions.

Us leaving uefa would actually be what those clubs proposing it would want.

 

[Lilbaz]

You have to look again at the super league proposal and how that completely alters the need for and qualifying dynamic of the champions league before asking how any reactionary moves by other nations impact on it.

What happens if only four teams qualify for ECL from that western euro continent league? What happens if they negotiate more qualifying spots- why wouldn’t a clearly more powerful EPL insist on a matching quota?

This is all about money and the power is firmly in the hands of English football. We really should be pressing home our advantages and not allow weaker rivals dictate terms.

The 10 european cups before the ban on english clubs. English teams won 7 of them. After the ban it was 9 years before utd won the cl. The damage was immense to our football. Don't think it wouldn't be again.

 

[Lilbaz]

Good bit from simon jodan about it.

 

[Lilbaz]

Been thinking about this and think it may be a ploy to get english clubs into the new esl.

There is massive resistance to the esl from fans, the premier league itself and the government. How do you change that? One way tell them they can't be a part of it. With the new version there should be promotion and relegation so possible for other prem clubs to get in, money shared down to the prem. There is the carrot. If the prem doesn't join then this new super league will get more money, they'd out compete us in europe and the prem will fall back into mediocrity. That's the stick.

Still don't think it will happen. Not sure that the big 6 clubs would want it to either.

 

[metalgear]

Lesser of two evils. Epl vs ESL. Both money grabbing entities.

Ideally, a non corrupt Fifa should get in the act and monetize content at the regional and local level to help develop grassroot football and the semi-pro and academy league's.

Don't see why they all can't coexist... A club like thfc could afford a team in the ESL, epl, semi pro teams in Africa, Chinese academy etc. All at the same time.




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[Baleforce]

Been thinking about this and think it may be a ploy to get english clubs into the new esl.

There is massive resistance to the esl from fans, the premier league itself and the government. How do you change that? One way tell them they can't be a part of it. With the new version there should be promotion and relegation so possible for other prem clubs to get in, money shared down to the prem. There is the carrot. If the prem doesn't join then this new super league will get more money, they'd out compete us in europe and the prem will fall back into mediocrity. That's the stick.

Still don't think it will happen. Not sure that the big 6 clubs would want it to either.

I thought that too, although I was thinking it was a stealth move and the PL clubs would be in on it from the off but join officially later on.

 

[Lilbaz]

I thought that too, although I was thinking it was a stealth move and the PL clubs would be in on it from the off but join officially later on.

The only real advantage prem clubs have over their european counterparts is the strength of the premier league. The original esl was to replace the champions league while clubs still played in their domestic leagues. Best of both worlds for the prem teams. This replaces the domestic leagues so will lift the european clubs while weakening prem clubs. Can't see them wanting this format.

 

[Finney Is Back]

The only real advantage prem clubs have over their european counterparts is the strength of the premier league. The original esl was to replace the champions league while clubs still played in their domestic leagues. Best of both worlds for the prem teams. This replaces the domestic leagues so will lift the european clubs while weakening prem clubs. Can't see them wanting this format.

If the English clubs stayed out of it and continued with UEFA competition, along with the clubs from those 4 countries who were not part of this new league then I think the popularity and value of the standard UEFA competition would be greater than the popularity and value of this new competition.

 

[johnola]

The reasons the premier leagues enjoys advantages are baked in and getting stronger - wealth is a reflection of its underlying strengths.

We are part of a densely populated Island with strong local identities. That is the basis of the competitiveness, it isn’t about to go away and cannot be replicated elsewhere although it could be extended up into Scotland - not that I advocate that right now.

Football grew here, reflects our society and in addition we have 30 years of stewardship of the premier league into a global behemoth.

Hard to see how we won’t now capitalise on these inate strengths with or without European disruption.

If the likes of Milan and Marseille wish to become fish food for an out of control Barcelona then that is up to them.

 

[Lilbaz]

If the English clubs stayed out of it and continued with UEFA competition, along with the clubs from those 4 countries who were not part of this new league then I think the popularity and value of the standard UEFA competition would be greater than the popularity and value of this new competition.

Possibly. Could have byern playing madrid or barca 6 times in a season. That soon loses it's spark. What was it fergie said, it's supposed to be the icing not the whole bloody cake. One of the reasons uefa would be against it.