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*** The Official 26/27 Premier League Thread ***

revlis said:
All of that is just a reflection of what football fans have voted for. We all watch it. We all sat there and agreed as referees were criticised and lambasted for every mistake, convincing ourselves that VAR would fix it. That didn't just happen out of the blue.

Carragher should get push back from Villa fans, not the club. The club is not the product at all. The people running it, who made that statement, are just as greedy and manipulative as Sky and everyone else. They're not doing it for the good of the game. They're not doing it for the fans. They're doing it because they want to make more money. Protecting their brand and embarrassing it at the same time.
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Some not all.
 
Muttley said:
Wouldn't the Villa owners just say that they made the ultimate gesture to their players, their manager and their fans by going in strong with Sky and Carragher? I dont think any Villain is painting their club black, in the same way I wouldn't if Vinai and Charrington flexed their muscles and stood up for our own club. I think the Villa fans understand that one leadership incentive was total brand protection and enablement of future revenue growth as that drives success of the product. I don't think it embarrassed the brand at all.

The VAR story is obviously it's own worm hole. It should have been an enabler to get the game more closely aligned with the original spirit of the game that should be fully supported by the law makers and the officials. I'm still a massive supporter that the day that both of these parties lose their defensive nature and want to use tech to help the 22 guys and gals play football within the laws, then we could see some really positive things happen. If it's just there as an arse covering tool for referees, then it will remain a partial success only.
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I’ve read a lot of Villa fans seemingly utterly embarrassed by what the club did RE Carragher.

I’m not sure it helped. I’m not sure it’s a massive climb down from Carragher. I’m not sure it makes Villa seem any bigger or like any pundit won’t criticise them again. I think it’s just a very weird episode and for as many people respect Villa more for standing up, it seems an equal if not greater amount of people think they are silly and precious for releasing a batbrick insane statement,

Carragher essentially defused the whole thing quickly so it didn’t have oxygen to become anything bigger than it was, so either way it doesn’t have impact. And I’d definitely think less of Spurs owners doing something similar because I think it’s telling on yourself - a truly big club does not need to threaten legal action over a discussion about the hierarchy because it’s obvious where they sit.

PGMOL and pressure there I agree with, because they need to be held to a higher standard to be more consistent and not keep making the dumb, inexplicable mistakes that keep happening. But this Villa thing just makes them seem like an odd bunch, not bigger or stronger.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
I’ve read a lot of Villa fans seemingly utterly embarrassed by what the club did RE Carragher.

I’m not sure it helped. I’m not sure it’s a massive climb down from Carragher. I’m not sure it makes Villa seem any bigger or like any pundit won’t criticise them again. I think it’s just a very weird episode and for as many people respect Villa more for standing up, it seems an equal if not greater amount of people think they are silly and precious for releasing a batbrick insane statement,

Carragher essentially defused the whole thing quickly so it didn’t have oxygen to become anything bigger than it was, so either way it doesn’t have impact. And I’d definitely think less of Spurs owners doing something similar because I think it’s telling on yourself - a truly big club does not need to threaten legal action over a discussion about the hierarchy because it’s obvious where they sit.

PGMOL and pressure there I agree with, because they need to be held to a higher standard to be more consistent and not keep making the dumb, inexplicable mistakes that keep happening. But this Villa thing just makes them seem like an odd bunch, not bigger or stronger.
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That's fine. It's OK to disagree about this stuff.

I'm wondering whether the world is moving into a new phase where we will now see intense scrutiny on the media. We had the first phase of the media reporting the news and providing inteliigent commentary and insights. That media in our early life times was very different and more controlled. We've now been in a reasonably long phase where the media changed completely. The digital age appeared, social media appeared and the media themselves change how they reported things. It became a free for all where there was no point letting the truth ruin a good story. The media run havoc through our lives and actually became quite toxic.

I'm now wondering whether a new phase is upon us and we will see extreme pressure applied from the real stakeholders back on the media to correct some of their behaviours. I think there will be more people like me that frown upon the media and challenge them to play a more important leadship role in society.

It's an interesting day for me when a football club threatens to sue a broadcasting company. It's the type of push back I now want to see become more pervasive. Doesn't always need litigiation though.
 
Muttley said:
That's fine. It's OK to disagree about this stuff.

I'm wondering whether the world is moving into a new phase where we will now see intense scrutiny on the media. We had the first phase of the media reporting the news and providing inteliigent commentary and insights. That media in our early life times was very different and more controlled. We've now been in a reasonably long phase where the media changed completely. The digital age appeared, social media appeared and the media themselves change how they reported things. It became a free for all where there was no point letting the truth ruin a good story. The media run havoc through our lives and actually became quite toxic.

I'm now wondering whether a new phase is upon us and we will see extreme pressure applied from the real stakeholders back on the media to correct some of their behaviours. I think there will be more people like me that frown upon the media and challenge them to play a more important leadship role in society.

It's an interesting day for me when a football club threatens to sue a broadcasting company. It's the type of push back I now want to see become more pervasive. Doesn't always need litigiation though.
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I agree with you there. I think with social media and it becoming more of a free for all in some ways you can’t blame someone with real power to throw their weight around to influence some media output, since it’s all such a crazy mess compared to what it used to be anyway, more controlled as you say.

So from that perspective, I can see why Villa’s owner does what he does. I just think my personal preference means that it’s the wrong target in my view. A pretty much factual statement was made in a jocular way on a football podcast, and I think it makes a billionaire look petulant to get that worked up about it. If it genuinely had the desired effect of making Villa look bigger, players and sponsors taking them more seriously, or even galvanising the squad then I’d hold my hands up and say job well done. I think it because it got defused quickly though, it just feels like a bit of a weird episode.
 
Pleased that Carragher has done an article today in the Telegraph reiterating his position. I’m glad pundits don’t have to pretend that up is down because of a billionaire legal threat and I think free speech is important.

He apologised for the tone he took towards Villa fans but not the substance of the argument. Which I think is right.
 
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