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Richarlison

I think he’s just called RDZ’s bluff about being 100% committed or not and it’s backfired on him.
As long as it’s a consistent message and treatment of all players the I don’t have a huge issue. But like everyone I wish we could have foreseen it and acted to bring in a replacement.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
I think he’s just called RDZ’s bluff about being 100% committed or not and it’s backfired on him.
As long as it’s a consistent message and treatment of all players the I don’t have a huge issue. But like everyone I wish we could have foreseen it and acted to bring in a replacement.
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Question though.

How you be a 100% committed professional to your manager when you live your life out on social media in this way? Very subtly different from 100% committed on the pitch, but surely a massive factor.
 
Muttley said:
My view is that we need to back RDZ over Richi as much as we did Poch with Kaboul.

There will be senior casualties. There will be guys when pushed to operate with the right levels of professionalism and commitment that don't complete the journey. I'm good with that. There will also be the great guys like Ryan Mason who serve a purpose for a while and then roll off the roster.

Richi's crime was disrespecting our club by playing his story out on social media and playing the victim. Based on this week he's still doing that by putting a tearful emoji and typing the word "Why". In my opinion, he needs to grow up and start being a professional. He's not helping the reputation of any highly paid professional footballers by acting like a spoilt little child. Fortunately, they aren't all like him.
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Backing the manager is fine, making a public spectacle about it is not, not giving a number has a direct financial consequence to the club, and fudges us out of a plan C (what happens if Solanke and Marmoush get injured?) for no upside other than "sending a message"

Could have given him a number, not played him (other players will get the message, doesn't need to be public) and moved him on in January for some revenue. At this point we are either going to accept something like sub 10M or give him away when 35M was on the table .. it's a fudge up
 
Bishop said:
Include him or don't include him it doesn't make any difference. If he had played yesterday the same complaints that are always made about him would be made. He can't hold the ball up, his first touch is rotten, he can't bring others into play. I don't know why we are lying to ourselves. When Richy is fit and available people cry for Solanke, when Solanke is the one playing peopek harp on for Richy. Whichever of them isn't actually available is always seen as the better option.
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Fair points but he is at least an option. Not necessarily a good one, but an option nonetheless. You know my opinion of him is similar to yours.
 
Raziel said:
Backing the manager is fine, making a public spectacle about it is not, not giving a number has a direct financial consequence to the club, and fudges us out of a plan C (what happens if Solanke and Marmoush get injured?) for no upside other than "sending a message"

Could have given him a number, not played him (other players will get the message, doesn't need to be public) and moved him on in January for some revenue. At this point we are either going to accept something like sub 10M or give him away when 35M was on the table .. it's a fudge up
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I think it depends whether you have a strategic product management / sales and marketing mindset or whether you're in the finance team and are tracking this quarter's bookings. I can promise everyone that if our club get their culture right and get the right relationship between player and employer that will be infinitely worth way more financially than a couple of quid lost on Richi in this period. I think you know we never had that £35m in our back pocket anyway and what you write above is revisionism. That can only happen when 2 clubs and 1 player + agent are in full agreement with the terms. That was never the case in any of the speculated deals with Richi or he'd be long gone.

Personally, for a change I just want Spurs fans getting behind their club. I don't actually get the Richi sympathisers.

I would rather focus on the football side of things though. We had this before with Harry when he was injured and everyone proclaimed we were in deep doo doo. Then we score as many, if not more goals, with Dele, Son, Eriksen and Lamela operating as the 4 main men. If we had to step out onto the pitch with Savio, Kudus, Madds and Tel can we make it work? That then brings you back to what RDZ was talking to Tel about after the last game. He was just encouraging to be the striker and act like the striker in key situations.
 
Muttley said:
I think it depends whether you have a strategic product management / sales and marketing mindset or whether you're in the finance team and are tracking this quarter's bookings. I can promise everyone that if our club get their culture right and get the right relationship between player and employer that will be infinitely worth way more financially than a couple of quid lost on Richi in this period. I think you know we never had that £35m in our back pocket anyway and what you write above is revisionism. That can only happen when 2 clubs and 1 player + agent are in full agreement with the terms. That was never the case in any of the speculated deals with Richi or he'd be long gone.

Personally, for a change I just want Spurs fans getting behind their club. I don't actually get the Richi sympathisers.

I would rather focus on the football side of things though. We had this before with Harry when he was injured and everyone proclaimed we were in deep doo doo. Then we score as many, if not more goals, with Dele, Son, Eriksen and Lamela operating as the 4 main men. If we had to step out onto the pitch with Savio, Kudus, Madds and Tel can we make it work? That then brings you back to what RDZ was talking to Tel about after the last game. He was just encouraging to be the striker and act like the striker in key situations.
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Some of it is just about not swallowing the corporate propaganda and not turning on the guy who we've all seen with our own eyes has decency as a human, clearly cared about the club and always gave his all
 
Gutter Boy said:
Some of it is just about not swallowing the corporate propaganda and not turning on the guy who we've all seen with our own eyes has decency as a human, clearly cared about the club and always gave his all
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You need to care a little bit more about player quality and less about the politics. Richy being what you deem as a decent human being isn't going to make him any better or worse as a player.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Some of it is just about not swallowing the corporate propaganda and not turning on the guy who we've all seen with our own eyes has decency as a human, clearly cared about the club and always gave his all
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He’s clearly a decent human but he’s also taking to social to undermine the manager and the club. I agree with @Muttley, I’m not following why Spurs fans aren’t more behind the club here, and instead backing a player who said he wanted to leave.
 
Muttley said:
I think it depends whether you have a strategic product management / sales and marketing mindset or whether you're in the finance team and are tracking this quarter's bookings. I can promise everyone that if our club get their culture right and get the right relationship between player and employer that will be infinitely worth way more financially than a couple of quid lost on Richi in this period. I think you know we never had that £35m in our back pocket anyway and what you write above is revisionism. That can only happen when 2 clubs and 1 player + agent are in full agreement with the terms. That was never the case in any of the speculated deals with Richi or he'd be long gone.

Personally, for a change I just want Spurs fans getting behind their club. I don't actually get the Richi sympathisers.

I would rather focus on the football side of things though. We had this before with Harry when he was injured and everyone proclaimed we were in deep doo doo. Then we score as many, if not more goals, with Dele, Son, Eriksen and Lamela operating as the 4 main men. If we had to step out onto the pitch with Savio, Kudus, Madds and Tel can we make it work? That then brings you back to what RDZ was talking to Tel about after the last game. He was just encouraging to be the striker and act like the striker in key situations.
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Completely agree with you.

‘Sending a message’ is not a worthless thing. It’s a critical thing to establish behaviour and expectations among the squad and it will pay off long term,

I also think your Kane example is a fantastic one. So many people are saying we’re ’losing goals’ with Richy without sufficiently accounting for the fact that a system that shares goals around, that is more quickly adopted by a group of players who know the manager isn’t going to yield on playing this system, is going to counter that. Richy’s 12 goals in a terrible team last year isn’t super relevant if he can’t be trusted to play the system we’re playing this year, and if he isn’t able to show ultimate commitment to making it work.
 
Bishop said:
You need to care a little bit more about player quality and less about the politics. Richy being what you deem as a decent human being isn't going to make him any better or worse as a player.
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Football clubs are supposed to be about the connection between fans and players. If you start belittling that to focus on the bottom line and seeing them as assets, kind of what is the point? Loyalty is two way and all that
 
Muttley said:
Question though.

How you be a 100% committed professional to your manager when you live your life out on social media in this way? Very subtly different from 100% committed on the pitch, but surely a massive factor.
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That is one of the few situations where the millions of little pieces of paper with the kings head on matter - it doesn't matter if your manager thinks you're a clam, you're paid to do your job and so highly remunerated as to be committed to it.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Football clubs are supposed to be about the connection between fans and players. If you start belittling that to focus on the bottom line and seeing them as assets, kind of what is the point? Loyalty is two way and all that
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There is no loyalty in football and there hasn't been for at least 30 years. Players move on when it suits them and teams move players on when it suits their interests. It's always been like that.

I have no beef with Richy wanting to stay, that's entirely his prerogative but I don't understand how someone who supposedly supports the club doesn't actually want what is in our best interest first?
 
Gutter Boy said:
Football clubs are supposed to be about the connection between fans and players. If you start belittling that to focus on the bottom line and seeing them as assets, kind of what is the point? Loyalty is two way and all that
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We’re quite deliberately not focusing on the bottom line with Richy though are we? We’re making a sporting and culture based decision, impact on his value be dammed!
 
Bishop said:
There is no loyalty in football and there hasn't been for at least 30 years. Players move on when it suits them and teams move players on when it suits their interests. It's always been like that.

I have no beef with Richy wanting to stay, that's entirely his prerogative but I don't understand how someone who supposedly supports the club doesn't actually want what is in our best interest first?
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But that won't be come clear till way down the line. Maybe people also have the clubs best interest first, they just don't look the same as how you see them.

Either way, not sure its fair to you the phrase "someone who supposedly supports the club"........we all do
 
Bishop said:
He's prioritising the player's interests over the club he supports.
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We've not scored, or even looked like scoring, in 6 hours of football. Yet we've made our only natural goalscorer ineligible, whilst including a player who is physically unable to play this semester, and a drugs cheat who wont be anywhere near the level needed all year. That's just cutting our nose of to spite our face. Choosing a relgation scrap over mid-table obsurity. I don't see how that's in the clubs interest? If we had another competent CF, maybe there might be a case
 
Bishop said:
There is no loyalty in football and there hasn't been for at least 30 years. Players move on when it suits them and teams move players on when it suits their interests. It's always been like that.

I have no beef with Richy wanting to stay, that's entirely his prerogative but I don't understand how someone who supposedly supports the club doesn't actually want what is in our best interest first?
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He didn't and doesn't want to stay. If he's saying those words it's only because he wants to play football with no other options available. He didn't say those words when offered a new contract if you believe Spurs side of the story. He read the tea-leaves and knew that even if he did sign a new contract he was being phased out of the first team in the next chapter anyway.

I'm not sure any of his would blame him for leaving with his head held high after grafting for the shirt. It's how you behave in the process that matters. That was always my problem with Harry and THFC. The player gave himself an extra week's holiday in Miami and then came back and didn't align to what his new manager was asking of him. The club didn't inflict any punishment on a player stepping out of line, even if it was a 2 weeks wages fine. These things set precedences for future behaviours.

The club must never be subservient to any player. Big clubs aren't. Even Ronaldo was stuffed in the reserves and kicked out the club at the next opportunity for being nob-head a few years back.
 
Gutter Boy said:
We've not scored, or even looked like scoring, in 6 hours of football. Yet we've made our only natural goalscorer ineligible, whilst including a player who is physically unable to play this semester, and a drugs cheat who wont be anywhere near the level needed all year. That's just cutting our nose of to spite our face. Choosing a relgation scrap over mid-table obsurity. I don't see how that's in the clubs interest? If we had another competent CF, maybe there might be a case
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You did gloss over the fact he played in our first game and put in one of the most abysmal performances I have seen in a long time. Also, in RDZ’s six games in charge last season he scored just twice.

Please let’s not put this guy on some sort of pedal stool as a savior of some kind. He was the one who…

… wouldn’t commit to De Zerbi’s project by signing a new contract.
… cost us 35 mil and the chance to sign Ndiaye (we got Mudryk instead).
… is trashing us in public.

He needs to be forced to train on his own now. There’s zero point in having him around the squad. There will be plenty of opportunities for him in January, as well as for the club to cash in on his value (we still hold a one year option I believe). Time for both parties to move on in a mature fashion.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
But that wasnt exactly how our deal with Everton was being played, we were trying to sell him to add cash to the coffers in order to pay the fee for their star player. So its not unthinkable that we agreed a sale before the player and his reps had even spoken in our haste to get both deals done. Its certainly not unthinkable that they him and his reps expressed interest in the move but then didnt like the deal on the table.

Given his Instagram post I would say that scenario is much more likely

Also it isnt that rare its exactly what happened with Balugon, players turn down moves all the time, not always just for the reasons you mention.

Your theory is a much bigger reach


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Very unlikely, transfer deals just don’t tend to happen like that.

No, Balogun was completely different, he was going to Everton and even had a medical. The deal broke down after he failed the medical and Everton then tried to renegotiate the deal post the medical failure.

Knowing how transfers tend to work I’d say yours is the bigger reach. I think Richi is looking for a big free transfer pay day.
 
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