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Daniel Levy - Former Chairman

Baleforce said:
6

a grand total of 6

so we are joint 7th, out of 92

perspective
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That’s your view. Big clubs need to win trophies. They are the ultimate currency of success. Were you aware that we won at least one trophy in every decade from 1950-2010? Fawning over top 4 finishes whilst dismissing trophies just because it coincidentally aligns with what we have done in the last 20 years isn’t what big clubs crow about. Do you think Real Madrid list their top 4 finishes on their website?
 
Jurgen the German said:
That’s your view. Big clubs need to win trophies. They are the ultimate currency of success. Were you aware that we won at least one trophy in every decade from 1950-2010? Fawning over top 4 finishes whilst dismissing trophies just because it coincidentally aligns with what we have done in the last 20 years isn’t what big clubs crow about. Do you think Real Madrid list their top 4 finishes on their website?
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I was very aware, but the game has changed, the Champions League destroyed everything that came before it, it made domestic cups completely worthless.

Madrid list their CL wins on their website, they don't even care about league titles.
 
Baleforce said:
I was very aware, but the game has changed, the Champions League destroyed everything that came before it, it made domestic cups completely worthless.

Madrid list their CL wins on their website, they don't even care about league titles.
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If the domestic cups are worthless then why do city, Liverpool, Arsenal etc try and win them every year? The biggest clubs in England try and win as many trophies as possible whilst they have the window of opportunity. That’s what separates them from us if you apply your mentality, we’ll always be small time compared to the biggest clubs.
 
Jurgen the German said:
If the domestic cups are worthless then why do city, Liverpool, Arsenal etc try and win them every year? The biggest clubs in England try and win as many trophies as possible whilst they have the window of opportunity. That’s what separates them from us if you apply your mentality, we’ll always be small time compared to the biggest clubs.
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do they though?

City didn't look to be trying very hard in the final last year, lost to palace, who in their very next game in the competition got done by an actual pub team

I think its more that teams win it solely be being less disinterested than others
 
Baleforce said:
do they though?

City didn't look to be trying very hard in the final last year, lost to palace, who in their very next game in the competition got done by an actual pub team

I think its more that teams win it solely be being less disinterested than others
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City picked a PL lineup in the league cup semi final and always go strong at the business end of cups.

Ask Saudi Sportswashing Machine and Palace fans if they’d swap their trophies they picked up last season for a top 4 finish. What’s the point of following football if you’re just going to look back and say I’ll always remember that time we finished in the top 4 then got battered by Barcelona 5-0 in the group stage?
 
Baleforce said:
yep

and how many of them are moaning?
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We are historically one of the top 6-8 clubs in the country and used to pick up trophies fairly regularly. Clubs like Millwall and West Brom don’t have the same heritage of winning things that like us, Villa and Everton used to have. What achievements can clubs like Everton point to in the last 30 years? The time they nearly got relegated but didn’t? I’m sure their fans would love a trophy.
 
Jurgen the German said:
We are historically one of the top 6-8 clubs in the country and used to pick up trophies fairly regularly. Clubs like Millwall and West Brom don’t have the same heritage of winning things that like us, Villa and Everton used to have. What achievements can clubs like Everton point to in the last 30 years? The time they nearly got relegated but didn’t? I’m sure their fans would love a trophy.
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yep, 6-8, and we are 7th on the league title chart in the last 25 years
 
Jurgen the German said:
City picked a PL lineup in the league cup semi final and always go strong at the business end of cups.

Ask Saudi Sportswashing Machine and Palace fans if they’d swap their trophies they picked up last season for a top 4 finish. What’s the point of following football if you’re just going to look back and say I’ll always remember that time we finished in the top 4 then got battered by Barcelona 5-0 in the group stage?
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Due to their small ground, the only chance Palace have of clawing their way up the league consistently, is to either unearth huge talents and sell them for huge profit (Eze, Wharton etc) or scrape into the CL to seize that £100m pot. They won't have any delusions of winning the CL, but that £100m will make a big difference to them.
Just as it did to Spurs when Spurs won the EL and made it into the CL and secured the £100m pot; whilst Man United missed out on the £100m pot. And that is why Spurs immediately bought Sesko, Cunha and Mbeumo. Um...
 
Bullet said:
Due to their small ground, the only chance Palace have of clawing their way up the league consistently, is to either unearth huge talents and sell them for huge profit (Eze, Wharton etc) or scrape into the CL to seize that £100m pot. They won't have any delusions of winning the CL, but that £100m will make a big difference to them.
Just as it did to Spurs when Spurs won the EL and made it into the CL and secured the £100m pot; whilst Man United missed out on the £100m pot. And that is why Spurs immediately bought Sesko, Cunha and Mbeumo. Um...
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The level of ambition at United and Spurs are not comparable.
 
DTA said:
You pay someone enough if they are available they will come, this is an almost universal truth.

And Levy was willing to spend on managers both for better and worse.
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Yes, a universal truth that means if you do that but don't also provide money for that manager to attain top tier players, you get those who will eventually use their stint here to claim how they tried their best, were promised this or that but couldn't deliver because "Spurs don't want to act with ambition" etc. That will include those who are not worthy of the job but will get it because of club desperation and inability to attract truly higher tier and ambitious managers. See our last two hires.

We paid big bucks for Thomas Frank, who is apparently the 3rd highest paid manager in the PL.
Thomas Frank. Let that sink in....
 
Bishop said:
The level of ambition at United and Spurs are not comparable.
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The size of Spurs and United is not comparable (they are a top 3 side in the world)

They are however one of the few sides that make our disfunction look normal, I'd hardly call some of their choices over the last decade ambition (3 years of OGS as a manager?), the Glazers literally are everything people accuse ENIC/Levy of having been, there for the money, taking money out of the club every year to their personal benefit and letting infrastructure fall apart all around them. The occasional panic buy doesn't change the fact that a lot of that squad isn't fit for the ambition you think they have.
 
Raziel said:
The size of Spurs and United is not comparable (they are a top 3 side in the world)

They are however one of the few sides that make our disfunction look normal, I'd hardly call some of their choices over the last decade ambition (3 years of OGS as a manager?), the Glazers literally are everything people accuse ENIC/Levy of having been, there for the money, taking money out of the club every year to their personal benefit and letting infrastructure fall apart all around them. The occasional panic buy doesn't change the fact that a lot of that squad isn't fit for the ambition you think they have.
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They are a basket case 100%, but a lot of that is borne out by their ambition.

Ambition and success are obviously not the same thing. We can criticise their decision making, we can criticise their implemention but can't ever claim they lack ambition.
 
Bishop said:
They are a basket case 100%, but a lot of that is borne out by their ambition.

Ambition and success are obviously not the same thing. We can criticise their decision making, we can criticise their implemention but can't ever claim they lack ambition.
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And maybe that's where you and I disagree, they spend money (that they generate mostly), other than that?

Moyes wasn't ambition, keeping OGS, ETH, Amorim wasn't ambition, they had one taste of Jose and they have run from serious manager appointments since, because they don't like the conflict side of top managers (same reason they shifted Rangnick out). They should have got Conte, they should have got Tuchell, for the size of the club the managerial appointments tend to be underwhelming

Ambition to me says you intend to be the best, performances, staff, players, infrastructure, men and womens teams. Ambition says you act, if Amorim hadn't brick on them publicly, he would still be there and if he put in an 8th place performance, they would have kept him on again.

United needs to be trying to win the league seriously, buying Mbeumo, Cunha and Sesko (first two I'd happily have at Spurs) is not trying to win the league, Liverpool tried to win the league (and that's an example of ambition but execution fudge up)
 
Jurgen the German said:
If the domestic cups are worthless then why do city, Liverpool, Arsenal etc try and win them every year? The biggest clubs in England try and win as many trophies as possible whilst they have the window of opportunity. That’s what separates them from us if you apply your mentality, we’ll always be small time compared to the biggest clubs.
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No teams go out and try to lose.
 
The problem at this club is that every time we qualified for the CL and won nothing it created either debate or this made up ideal that we didn't want to win things or we prioritised the CL over cups (despite going deeper, more often in a shorter period of history than any time before). When it is likely we didn't win things whilst being good enough to qualify for it. How that manifested into what it did I don't know, but it is what it is.
 
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