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Harry Redknapp: The Aftermath

Would you keep Arry after the Season?

  • Yes - He's done well and should be given at least one more season to consolidate our team

    Votes: 25 53.2%

  • No - he's peaked and would hold us back.

    Votes: 22 46.8%
  • Total voters
    47
Walker has NO cover, thats why its madness.

In the event he gets injured or needs a rest we have nothing, we are compromised...

Why does everyone assume the 'negative' posters in this thread are basing their opinion on the last couple of months?

THat may be what started it, but these same conversations were taking place last summer - I would imagine for the most part this is not knee jerk
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
Walker has NO cover, thats why its madness.

In the event he gets injured or needs a rest we have nothing, we are compromised...

Why does everyone assume the 'negative' posters in this thread are basing their opinion on the last couple of months?

THat may be what started it, but these same conversations were taking place last summer - I would imagine for the most part this is not knee jerk
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Because Jimmyg suggested that still having Corluka would have played a part in us still being in the title race. And I think that's 100% completely untrue.

Of course ideally you want cover for every position, but Corluka obviously wasn't happy playing such a bit-part role. And, whilst I normally hate it when people mention other players playing out of position as cover, I do think you can count Kaboul as genuine cover for right-back.

In any case, we're lucky that Walker has stayed fit, and so to suggest that Corluka would have made any difference to our current plight is a bit silly IMO.
 
southstand1882 said:
If playing the best football ive ever seen in 30 years, being able to finally compete with the big boys, beating the scum regularly, the 2-3, Inter Milan et al at the Lane and almost pushing for the league... Is considered doing us over... Well frankly Harry can have my anus for the weekend

Some of you have have taken knee jerk to a new level
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Good post.

Though in fairness it is easy at the moment to swap between sensible and knee-jerk depending on our last result!

While we can argue about formations (not Harry's strong point) my main problem is the continuing assumption that he will become England manager and the whole "head in the sand" approach to it. THFC / Levy should come out and say if the FA want him then lets do a deal now - but keep him in place until end of season - and then tell the players to focus on doing as well as they can to attract the best man as his replacement - i.e Mourinho etc.

Turn it into a POSITIVE THING, that the players can influence the future - lets show World Class managers that this is the place to be!

At the moment, I seriously think a few of them (Modric + Ade in particular) are playing like they just want to be at their next clubs.
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
Livermore isnt a right back. Certainly not as good a right back as Corluka, so either way we would be compromised...
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I didn't say he was a right back

He is stronger, faster, aerially superior and more agile than Corluka. Also has a superior passing range. If need be - he could cover for 1 game and do so well, I'm sure
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
Walker has NO cover, thats why its madness.

In the event he gets injured or needs a rest we have nothing, we are compromised...

Why does everyone assume the 'negative' posters in this thread are basing their opinion on the last couple of months?

THat may be what started it, but these same conversations were taking place last summer - I would imagine for the most part this is not knee jerk
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FWIW I still think...

Corluka >>>> any other RB cover
Bassong > Nelson
Pav > Saha
Pienaar >>>>>> noone

Can understand the Pav deal as it was good money and we had been trying to shift him for a while, but the others still seem like madness to me.
 
Golfball said:
Go back a page. Maybe you didnt see it then.

Maybe you still dont remember, Jol wasnt the manager before HR. Ramos was.

I said HR got CL with a similar squad that the previous manager was fighting relegation with. You responded calling me a retread, telling me 2 5th places in a row.

Ramos was the manager. We finished bottom half and then didnt win a game in the first 8. Remember ?
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We finished 11th under Ramos, after Jol managed that season as well...... Ramos was manager for 12 month from October 2007 to October 2008.

The point is Harry had the same squad that Jol had, probably stronger.
 
totman said:
If Harry steadies the ship and we finish well, will the same amount of people be as outraged, and call for this embarrassing thread to be locked, as there was for the "Lets All Laugh At arsenal" thread?

Doubt it. Alot of the sentiments in here are quite frankly disturbing.

You worried what Scum fans thought when they closed the gap.....but you dont give a f#ck what the world thinks about your views on our manager. Acting like you've been deprived of your rights to glory. Some of you make me sick.

Good to see that there are still a few with a level head around here.
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I stand 100% by my opinion.

I stated earlier this eason I didn't like or want Harry, the team made me STFU, but we are here again and for me he's talked himself out of a job.
 
elltrev said:
With all due respect, I think this is a great example of people looking to blame anything and everything for our dip in form... release of Corluka madness? Walker may not be everyone's cup of tea, but he was starting every game during our record-breaking run. Perhaps we're lucky that Walker hasn't got injured, but I can say with some confidence that our position wouldn't be any different now if we hadn't let Corluka go out on loan.
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You need options, IMO Corluka is a better fullback than Walker, but leave this out of the arguement, it is daft to think that Walker can play every game, he has no cover, Kaboul do me a favour he is not a fullback, Walkers strength is his pace but he looks knackered he needs a rest, I blame our lack of form on our forward players actually, they dont turn our possession into goals, against Norwich we had two wingers and yet we still got Benny and Walker to push up, thats why we looked so open.
 
I think it's still fair enough to blame tactics when we lose if they're clearly wrong. The problem is, unless it's a massive game and we obviously change our game plan, whenever we win then the praise always goes on the players. "Modric was awesome today", "they couldn't handle Bale in this kind of form" etc. Whereas nobody tends to say "well done Harry for picking X formation in this game that exploited this brick team's weakness". The fact is, Harry wins more games than not, and has beaten a number of teams that are supposedly better than us along the way, including several away from home. Can't be all that bad at tactics then.

The point is, it's the managers job to pick the right tactics for the right game. Sometimes changing things is the smart thing to do, to keep things innovative and keep the opposition on their toes. When you've got a disjointed mess like yesterday, with neither Bale or Lennon sticking to their wing, and with Livermore playing too far up the pitch, it's up to the manager to do something about it. Because the key difference in tactics between real life and Football Manager is that in FM you pick a player in a position and they stay there until you move them. In real life, the player needs to be drilled and explicitly instructed what his role needs to be and what to do in certain situations. Perhaps Harry doesn't mind Bale wandering about but if he is then Lennon needs to know exactly what he needs to be doing if Bale isn't on the wing because they seemed all over the place yesterday.
 
At the end of the day though, Harry picked a side that should have beaten Norwich.

I am bewildered as to why he didnt start with Ade and one of JD or Rafa....but they should have been much better than they were. Had he played Sandro on the back of Sunderland, he would have been slaughtered for not giving Livermore a chance.

So he gives Livermore a chance, and bar one sublime pass, he was invisible and partly at fault for their 2nd goal.

Harry has his faults....but he's in a no win situation around here.
 
SUIYHA said:
I think it's still fair enough to blame tactics when we lose if they're clearly wrong. The problem is, unless it's a massive game and we obviously change our game plan, whenever we win then the praise always goes on the players. "Modric was awesome today", "they couldn't handle Bale in this kind of form" etc. Whereas nobody tends to say "well done Harry for picking X formation in this game that exploited this brick team's weakness". The fact is, Harry wins more games than not, and has beaten a number of teams that are supposedly better than us along the way, including several away from home. Can't be all that bad at tactics then.

The point is, it's the managers job to pick the right tactics for the right game. Sometimes changing things is the smart thing to do, to keep things innovative and keep the opposition on their toes. When you've got a disjointed mess like yesterday, with neither Bale or Lennon sticking to their wing, and with Livermore playing too far up the pitch, it's up to the manager to do something about it. Because the key difference in tactics between real life and Football Manager is that in FM you pick a player in a position and they stay there until you move them. In real life, the player needs to be drilled and explicitly instructed what his role needs to be and what to do in certain situations. Perhaps Harry doesn't mind Bale wandering about but if he is then Lennon needs to know exactly what he needs to be doing if Bale isn't on the wing because they seemed all over the place yesterday.
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Good post. I've been thinking that Harry's strength is allowing players to play with freedom. He tells them how good they are, and let's them go out on the pitch and express themselves and enjoy their football. And when things are going well, and they are enjoying their football, and they're feeling confident, it works brilliantly.

But when things are going wrong, like they are at the moment, and the players are lacking confidence, maybe players don't need freedom or praise; they need direction, they need leadership. They need Harry to tell each and every one of them exactly what they should be doing. Sometimes in a crisis you need someone to tell you what to do, someone to be strict and disciplined. Aside from Gallas none of the players seem to do this, and I wonder if Harry doesn't either. The fact that he thought we were too open against Norwich does worry me; didn't he tell Livermore that his role was to always sit back and protect the back four? Didn't he tell Lennon and Bale that as soon as we lose the ball, they have to sprint back into position?

Harry has said before that he doesn't believe in gonad*ing players, that he thinks telling them how good they are is the way forward. Which is fair enough. But I think right now maybe they don't need an arm round their shoulder; they need a leader, someone dominant, to organise them and tell them what to do.
 
elyid said:
FWIW I still think...

Corluka >>>> any other RB cover
Bassong > Nelson
Pav > Saha
Pienaar >>>>>> noone

Can understand the Pav deal as it was good money and we had been trying to shift him for a while, but the others still seem like madness to me.
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Agree with you except the Corluka part although him, Pienaar and Bassong wanted out.

I know that's no excuse to let them go but Arry didn't want to lose them or actively look to loan them out
 
Mock all you want but Livermore played at CB earlier in the season and did well.

To suggest he'd be a disaster at RB for onc game is speculative at best
 
Why only one game? Cover can be required for much more than that.

Walker busts his knee on Sunday, Kaboul cannot be spared from CB because King/Gallas/Nelsen are never fit at the same time - is Livermore up for seeing out the season there?
 
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