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Fabrice Muamba

SUIYHA said:
I've been thinking about something today. The reaction from our fans was excellent. I wasn't at the game but the TV cameras cut to the faces of our fans as well as theirs and there was a unanimous look of shock and sympathy in their eyes. You could even see some in tears. The Spurs fans even joined in with the chanting of his name. It was as if he was one of our own players. Then when the announcement came that the game was being abandoned, applause resonated throughout White Hart Lane and everyone accepted the decision as the correct thing to do.

What I was thinking about is, what if it hadn't been Muamba, who isn't a particularly famous player and has no real history with our club. What if it had been against Arsenal and somebody that epitomises the rivalry like Szczesny or Wheelchair had gone down. Would it have been the same reaction from the crowd? I remember a derby once when Thierry Henry got hit in the throat and went down and couldn't breathe, and the Spurs fans all started singing "let him die, let him die, let him die!".

I'd like to be able to think that if something like this had happened to one of those Arsenal players then they'd get the same response from our crowd as Muamba did, but sadly, I'm not so sure they would have done, even if it was only a minority of idiots shouting things at them.
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I think that there's only one player in football who wouldn't get a similar reaction from Tottenham supporters.
 
nw7 yid said:
I think that there's only one player in football who wouldn't get a similar reaction from Tottenham supporters.
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Absolutely. I hate the cnut, but I'd be so ashamed of what the reaction almost certainly would've been if that'd been him on Saturday.
 
mick cooper said:
Given the fact that Bill Shankly was a genuinely funny man, I have a suspicion that he may just have been taking the tinkle with his matter of life and death comment.
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I don't think he was taking the tinkle, exactly. It was more a matter of the judicious use of hyperbole.

Certainly, I'm sure that he never meant it to be taken literally.
 
jimmyb said:
I don't think he was taking the tinkle, exactly. It was more a matter of the judicious use of hyperbole.

Certainly, I'm sure that he never meant it to be taken literally.
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semantics - whichever way you look at it, its not a relevant quote in this case
 
SUIYHA said:
I've been thinking about something today. The reaction from our fans was excellent. I wasn't at the game but the TV cameras cut to the faces of our fans as well as theirs and there was a unanimous look of shock and sympathy in their eyes. You could even see some in tears. The Spurs fans even joined in with the chanting of his name. It was as if he was one of our own players. Then when the announcement came that the game was being abandoned, applause resonated throughout White Hart Lane and everyone accepted the decision as the correct thing to do.

What I was thinking about is, what if it hadn't been Muamba, who isn't a particularly famous player and has no real history with our club. What if it had been against Arsenal and somebody that epitomises the rivalry like Szczesny or Wheelchair had gone down. Would it have been the same reaction from the crowd? I remember a derby once when Thierry Henry got hit in the throat and went down and couldn't breathe, and the Spurs fans all started singing "let him die, let him die, let him die!".

I'd like to be able to think that if something like this had happened to one of those Arsenal players then they'd get the same response from our crowd as Muamba did, but sadly, I'm not so sure they would have done, even if it was only a minority of idiots shouting things at them.
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One of many good post s in this thread.

Well done to our fans, and of course the medical team.

Fingers crossed that Muamba will be alright.
 
I think we all grew up since the Henry incident and noone would even consider being negative in a life-threatening situation like this. It's not about divisions in football, it's a matter of principles.

and about the status update. I'm not a doctor but I'm from a medical family. it seems that his life in still in danger but nothing is changing rapidly, neither for good or bad. maybe It's generally good news, at least he's not in surgery or something. Far from over though...
 
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Stable can mean anything, it can mean he is breathing, it can mean he has a pulse even if its irregular, it can mean almost anything.

This guy had a heart attack, he went into cardiac arrest almost immediately, why he had the heart attack ? its speculation, hole in the heart, blocked arteries, heart disease, who knows. But I also come from a medical houshold in which my sister is very high up, and things are not looking good for Muamba. Even if he does recover he wont be the same, playing the game again will most likely not be an option.
 
Wriggly said:
Stable can mean anything, it can mean he is breathing, it can mean he has a pulse even if its irregular, it can mean almost anything.

This guy had a heart attack, he went into cardiac arrest almost immediately, why he had the heart attack ? its speculation, hole in the heart, blocked arteries, heart disease, who knows. But I also come from a medical houshold in which my sister is very high up, and things are not looking good for Muamba. Even if he does recover he wont be the same, playing the game again will most likely not be an option.
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I thought this. Surely there would be some kind of brain damage? GHod forbid that's the case, but it doesn't look great I agree
 
Charliedup said:
I thought this. Surely there would be some kind of brain damage? GHod forbid that's the case, but it doesn't look great I agree
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I'm no expert, but from what I understand the brain can only go 4-5 minutes without oxygen without brain damage. However, on the pitch they were quick to get to him and there were professionals giving cpr, in the ambulance they would have had professionals so there should be a good chance they kept a sufficient flow of blood and oxygen to prevent brain damage.
 
Charliedup said:
I thought this. Surely there would be some kind of brain damage? GHod forbid that's the case, but it doesn't look great I agree
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Brain damage is quite often the case I'm afraid. No expert but it did happen to someone I know, brain was starved of oxygen for too long apparently, severe brain damage was the result.

Are there any examples of this happening and the person making a complete recovery?
 
mick cooper said:
semantics - whichever way you look at it, its not a relevant quote in this case
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It's relevant because so many people still quote Shankly as though he was being literal! What happened on Saturday simply reminds everyone that the quote is a great sound bite but not a profound truism.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17419654

in this report on the bbc this morning it quotes the press association as saying it took medical staff 2 hrs to get muamba breathing again. if that is the case then the prognosis is not good.

however there were reports of progress in the ambulance on the way to the hospital, i cannot remember if they referred to getting his heart beating or breathing again, either way surely this event was no longer than 30mins after the initial incident?

maybe today is an important day as he has been anaesthetised since sat eve and today they could be letting him come out of that and GHod willing there is a positive response.
 
SUIYHA said:
I've been thinking about something today. The reaction from our fans was excellent. I wasn't at the game but the TV cameras cut to the faces of our fans as well as theirs and there was a unanimous look of shock and sympathy in their eyes. You could even see some in tears. The Spurs fans even joined in with the chanting of his name. It was as if he was one of our own players. Then when the announcement came that the game was being abandoned, applause resonated throughout White Hart Lane and everyone accepted the decision as the correct thing to do.

What I was thinking about is, what if it hadn't been Muamba, who isn't a particularly famous player and has no real history with our club. What if it had been against Arsenal and somebody that epitomises the rivalry like Szczesny or Wheelchair had gone down. Would it have been the same reaction from the crowd? I remember a derby once when Thierry Henry got hit in the throat and went down and couldn't breathe, and the Spurs fans all started singing "let him die, let him die, let him die!".

I'd like to be able to think that if something like this had happened to one of those Arsenal players then they'd get the same response from our crowd as Muamba did, but sadly, I'm not so sure they would have done, even if it was only a minority of idiots shouting things at them.
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Henry was a f#cking disgrace, play acting as normal and within seconds he was running around full speed.

Had he, or any gooner collapsed off the ball and started twitching on the floor, and had medics apply that level of attention, the reaction would have been the same as it was for Muamba.
 
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Rafael Van der Vaart on Fabrice Muamba: "(It was) simply horrifying to see such a young player on the ground struggling for his life. I was standing about 10m from him. It happened behind my back, when I turned I immediately knew things weren't good. Players on the field felt the panic as well. It was horrible to witness, it's the absolute low in my football career. I'd like to express my support to the family and everyone involved with Bolton. Fabrice, we'll keep praying for you."
 
I thought I read it was 2 hours to get his heart beating (on its own again).

Presumably as the paramedics reached him quickly, got the defibrilators on him and the CPR going all relatively quickly it should mean that his blood was being pumped, they will have been 'feeding' him high conc oxygen to compensate for any reduction in blood pumping quality and so his brain shouldn't have been starved of oxygen for too long and therefore the brain damage hopefully would have been limited.
 
Jordinho said:
Rafael Van der Vaart on Fabrice Muamba: "(It was) simply horrifying to see such a young player on the ground struggling for his life. I was standing about 10m from him. It happened behind my back, when I turned I immediately knew things weren't good. Players on the field felt the panic as well. It was horrible to witness, it's the absolute low in my football career. I'd like to express my support to the family and everyone involved with Bolton. Fabrice, we'll keep praying for you."
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He's a genuine good person is Rafa. I hope he is our manager one day.
 
jimmyb said:
It's relevant because so many people still quote Shankly as though he was being literal! What happened on Saturday simply reminds everyone that the quote is a great sound bite but not a profound truism.
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It's not even his quote. Vince Lombardi of the Green Bay Packers originally made it.


Gary
 
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