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Hugo Lloris
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Notmegov
Roman Pavlyuchenko
NaijaSpurs
Rafael Van Der Vaart
The problem with this situation is based on the fact that he is not just a keeper, but keeper and captain of his national side. I doubt he would have joined Spurs if he did not believe he would be starting the season as first choice. Whether he has complained or not, if Friedel maintains his position in the league as our starting keeper the situation will eventually become an issue for Lloris
Joey, you made a fairly sweeping / generalising statement claiming many fans on here a referring to him as 'world class' - something which you subsequently refused to back up with factual proof and quickly moved on to some blog article - even there only one (1) comment makes referrence to world class. (World-Class for me personally referrs to the very top layer of world players and limited to the odd 15-20 names, but again, the definition is highly subjective)
I spend a fair bit of time on here during the week (far less so on weekends admittedly) and to be quite honest with you - I cannot recall many instances of the above comparison (possibly except the kneejerk celebratory reach-around on deadline day when we signed him)
On the one side you confess to not seeing much of him then in the very next sentence question how can others rate him higher than Brad. Well, this might be pushing the envelope a bit here - but perhaps they have seen a bit of him over the years. Or at least a bit more than yourself. After all, he's been around since 2005 and has made more than 300 (302 to be precise) first team appareances.
Off-hand personally I can recall at least 20-25 games of his over the last 4-odd years
Also - could you possibly share the link to the stats you keep referring to.
In said I couldn't be bothered to find quotes, as I just assumed you wouldn't argue the toss. But is seems you doubt what i said, so here you go, all taken from just the first few pages on this very thread. I could have gone on, but there was enough there to support what I'm saying:
"We're talking about one of the best goalkeepers in the world, if not the best!"
"It won't be like spurs to have a truly world class keeper"
"I don't remember the last time we signed possible one of the best players in the world in there position from a CL club"
"Hugo Lloris is one of the very best goalkeepers in World Football."
"We've just signed one of the best keepers in the world"
"A world class keeper."
I asked why others would have seen much of him or watched him with the same scrutiny they would a Spurs player. I used the point that I'd seen brad many times before we signed him, but it was only once he was a Spurs player I started watching everything he does. The level of scrutiny fans use when judging their own players as far greater than when watching other teams.
My point isn't that Brads a better. But that I or the vast majority don't know. You haven't really answered my questions. The fact you claim to have seen him 25 times doesn't mean much. That is why I asked for an explanation of why his stats seem so out of kilter with how highly many Spurs fans rate him.
I'm not going to go and find every Lloris stat I've read since he turned up at Spurs Lodge. But here is a link that compares him with the other GK in the French squad.
http://www.whoscored.com/Blog/tni6t...-2012-Focus-What-is-Frances-Best-Available-XI
Here are his passing stats:
http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/74...451/PlayerStatistics/France-Ligue-1-2011-2012
Spurs fans would probably put the fact Brads save percentage wasn't the highest due to lack of mobility or agility. So I'd like to know what those who have seen a lot of Lloris and rate him so highly, put his lower save percentage down to. Has he just been unlucky? I'd ask the same for his distribution. Brad is said to be poor in this area as he's not a good footballer. But why is Lloris's passing less accurate? I don't think these are unreasonable questions given how convinced many seem to be of his quality.
I'm not saying he isn't a world class keeper, as I don't know, but surely you can understand why I'm reluctant to take the word of random message board posters.
GrimsbyYid
Gus Poyet
AB did brilliantly and he's handed this whole situation very well (except maybe not playing hi against Carlisle), but I think it all adds up to lloris being tinkled off. I think there is a huge issue here and be more of an issue it becomes the more friedel will cement his place. I don't blame AVB, I blame lloris if its true, but its stil a disaster.
Also, I think the same with Adebayor. He was benched a few games and then has completely disappeared from the team with no updates. Again, maybe I must being paranoid, but I can't help but feel both players are tinkled off about being benched and fallen out with AVB. The loser obviously is Tottenham.
Anyone give me a bit of confidence that the situation isn't as bad as I'm fearing it could be?
Also, I think the same with Adebayor. He was benched a few games and then has completely disappeared from the team with no updates. Again, maybe I must being paranoid, but I can't help but feel both players are tinkled off about being benched and fallen out with AVB. The loser obviously is Tottenham.
Anyone give me a bit of confidence that the situation isn't as bad as I'm fearing it could be?
Mumorn
Vic Buckingham
unless they were GUARANTEED first team football and to be on the team sheet every week when they signed, they have no reason to be tinkled off at all, you have to EARN your spot. there is no reason whatsoever why ade deserves a spot over Defoe and no reason at all why lloris deserves a spot over Friedel going by this year.
GrimsbyYid
Gus Poyet
I agree absolutely. Doesn't mean they're not tinkled off though.
Mumorn
Vic Buckingham
no doubt, but them being tinkled off isn't going to help there situation. infact they have no right to be tinkled off.
africanspurs
Justin Edinburgh
i think this is the clash of how things actually get done in reality and how they should get done. AVb has chosen the latter ...good for him. though technically speaking , something similar is what got him into his predicament in chelsea
i think this is a fall out from that situation. not sure how.
i think this is a fall out from that situation. not sure how.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
With Adebayor I can virtually assure you this would not be the case as AVB thought very very carefully indeed about signing him in the first place precisely because of harmony. I think that one's fine and there'll be nothing to see there personally...I know that one of the reasons we moved so late in the market was not just because AVB wanted to see the squad work together which he had inherited, but that he wanted to be very very careful about who he brought in with regards to attitude and spirit.
Why can't he leave this season if he wants ?
Seriously Lloris need to play if he wants to keep his place in the french team, I can see him asking for a move in Jan if he does not play.
Not playing him against Carlisle is an aberation unless he plays against Man U. If not I can see him get frustrated, and I will be at his place too.
It does not mean I am a Brad hater in any way.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
Indeed. A very well-stated edit of my waffle there...agree!!!
Tottenham goalkeeper Hugo Lloris, 25, has demanded talks with manager Andre Villas-Boas after Brad Friedel, 41, started in Wednesday's 3-0 Capital One Cup win over Carlisle
METRO
I don't know how this writer is still employed. And I don't know why the BBC put it in their gossip section. Might as well say that Brad has 3 arms if we're going to make up stories. At least that's an interesting story in a freak show kind of way.
METRO
I don't know how this writer is still employed. And I don't know why the BBC put it in their gossip section. Might as well say that Brad has 3 arms if we're going to make up stories. At least that's an interesting story in a freak show kind of way.
What scumbag of a wum - Well done, Andre
Why? Means as much as your apparent scientific scrutiny of Friedel - unless of course you believe that to be a superior form of sports analysis - something I sincerely doubt you do. You call them random posters in the very last sentence but they're no different to yourself and your observations. Isn't this why we come on here - to share information and opinion - why dismiss those as inferior, joey?
Some people choose to ‘scrutinise’ many players they watch, not only Spurs - personally I catch at least one Bundesliga game a week and/or the featured Real Madrid CF match. We also get most of the weekly PL games down here live so unless it's clashing with Spurs (or the wife!) I'd try and watch those too -sometimes even record it on the box for later viewing (this season I'm keeping a close eye on Fulham, mainly due to Jol and Berba).
I understand you haven't seen much of him but why dismiss the opinion/observations of those who have? You even asked for those very opinions yourself, fella. From the games I've watched the impression was one of a very agile, assured goalkeeper who is very good-to-excellent in the air and not afraid to commit to a challenge (1v1) coupled with good short-range passing. He is also vastly experienced considering his age (for a goalkeeper) and is in my opinion a cut or two above Brad - as most on here will discover within 6-12 months.
Whether you choose to believe that or not based on some percentage numbers from whoscored.com is up to you - I sincerely doubt that is a good/objective form of player ability anlysis (but a good reference material or starting point for a debate instead). And isn’t that the very reason why you’re on here – to obtain some information from the posters who have seen him play? I like stats myself but they only tell half the story - unless of course you want to accept the fact Stalteri was statistically our best player during Lasagnegate season. Just a few pages back people argued that clean sheets mean fudge all because they're not solely down to the keeper instead encompassing (at the very least) his 4 defenders in front. So that alone can be debated for a few pages.
As for the lower save percentage you appear to have based a substantial part of your argument on - a generic example would be
- a keeper saves 4 easy soft shots straight at him and concedes 2 soft goals - 66% save percentage (his team loses 1:2)
- a keeper saves 2 top class free kicks, and concedes 1 goal - 66% save percentage (his team wins 2:1)
Who did better?
Another argument would be an inferior defence would allow opposition to take a higher number of shots.
In conclusion - I don’t understand why certain poster have taken such a disliking to the fact some fans are exciting about the fact we, as a EPL Top 6 side and not even a G14 member (not even close!) have signed one of the Top 15-20 keepers and want to see him play.
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I can't help but disagree with you there - with a superior keeper (not Lloris for argument sake - anyone you wish) - we could have kept a clean sheet aginst QPR, Reading and potentially WBA (debatable).
Last season he had some very solid (if unremarkable) performances - this year he's been ok
Little Luka
John Scales
If Lloris wasn't tinkled off by sitting on the bench he'd never be a professional footballer in the first place. What matters here is how he handles the anger, and as far as I can tell from interviews with our players he isn't creating any issues at all, so this is a complete non-story.
Lloris isn't stupid, he knows he's here to take over.
Lloris isn't stupid, he knows he's here to take over.