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Thomas Frank - Head Coach

Ace Face said:
Agree, which I why I found that chart surprising.

When you consider we are probably a very data-driven club now with regards to performance analysis, this may help explain why the board are giving TF a longer leash than most of us would.
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On most metrics we are in the bottom half, I don't think you finding a niche one like passes Per Defensive Action that we are actually showing fairly well in is the reason Frank is still in a job.

If there was a suitable candidate ready to step in after the West Ham game he likely would have gone. If he loses to Burnley, he's gone and even after that he's forever walking on a tightrope being one or two games away from his position being untenable but his saving grace is alternative options right now - people were seriously talking about Harry Redknapp FFS.....
 
harr1984 said:
On most metrics we are in the bottom half, I don't think you finding a niche one like passes Per Defensive Action that we are actually showing fairly well in is the reason Frank is still in a job.

If there was a suitable candidate ready to step in after the West Ham game he likely would have gone. If he loses to Burnley, he's gone and even after that he's forever walking on a tightrope being one or two games away from his position being untenable but his saving grace is alternative options right now - people were seriously talking about Harry Redknapp FFS.....
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I'm not arguing against any of that.

I merely thought it was an interesting stat, and in conjunction with our modern data-led approach, could provide some context for TF's continued employment. After all, none of us know what discussions are being had behind the scenes on how his tenure is being evaluated.
 
Gutter Boy said:
It's hard to pick between any of the last 5 managerial appointments. All absolutely ridiculous. After Poch we just needed to plump for another Poch. And we still do now
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We too stupid to appoint another Poch type manager. We will find with all out attack or pragmatic. Then restart rebuilding the squad for yet another system
 
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Didn't watch the game, but how is a gome win against Dortmund enough for Frank to be givena chance, but a point away in the PL is enough for him to be sacked?
 
Lemonade Money said:
Didn't watch the game, but how is a gome win against Dortmund enough for Frank to be givena chance, but a point away in the PL is enough for him to be sacked?
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Love those 'supporters' who probably didn't watch the game and are so fast to get on and post down with Frank. Especially the Ange-lamenters who have undermined Frank from day one. They are a special kind of divisive non-supporter.

Terrible not to win, not becuase its a gimme, but because we deserved to win. Our attackers can't put it together in the final third. As usual a lot of passes and shots weren't good enough. And that is the simple issue. Odobert played well, Spence showed his passion and pace. None of them could keep their cool and make the right pass or coldly finish, and we relied on defenders again to score. And it is to be expected with an unsettled young side who aren't yet familiar and polished.

Frank should have made some earlier subs when it was 1-1 and we were dominating trying to win the game. The tide turned as players tired. And he didn't get fresh legs on quick enough imo. But otherwise, you have to say, Frank set us up well. Right out the blocks we were a threat. Unable to convert two great openings in the first couple of minutes. As we pushed to find goals and dominated we forgot that we need to defend and keep them out too. Had we, that was a walk in the park. A lot to refine for Frank, but if you watched the game, it was clear we were the better side.
 
Honestly, I'm fuming at the result today, as we really needed he 3pts.
I'm convinced I want TF gone...
BUT... the last two matches have been alot better in terms of the type of football I'm seeing on the pitch, at least there's a more attacking focus approach and there's a more competitive mindset from the team, compared to what we've seen all season so far.
I don't want us to sack TF unless we have already got a top quality attacking principled Manager already lined up. Otherwise I think we stick with TF for the rest of the season.

There's definitely been some improvement in performance and in the style of play over the last two games, which is all I've ever wanted from TF in his first season, but the rubbish football and pragmatic approach he continued to give us has convinced me that, no matter what, he has to go at the end of the season and Poch has to come back and have a 2nd shot at building a competitive team.

I really don't want an interim manager, I'd rather stick with TF for now, unless we have a someone lined up now like Alonso ready to take over, or give Poch the job after the WC.
 
fernadez said:
Thought we played with the right mentality and intent.

Seeing as that's been people's criticisms alongside that they don't mind not winning as long as we play the right way, there must be more people who want Frank to stay?

I'm finding it hard to lay the blame for the lack of quality in the final third at his door.
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It was v Burnley, this was a pretty average performance and an awful result. Not for the first time this season.
 
fernadez said:
Thought we played with the right mentality and intent.

Seeing as that's been people's criticisms alongside that they don't mind not winning as long as we play the right way, there must be more people who want Frank to stay?

I'm finding it hard to lay the blame for the lack of quality in the final third at his door.
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Well that was the low minimum bar expected, yes. But also maybe win a game now and then, against say for example two teams in the bottom three.

Considering it was outrageously bad when these type of defeats happened last season that you want to replace the guy who actually won us a trophy, it's safe to say it's not going to be acceptable the following season....
 
It will be interesting to see what approach we use over the next 4 PL games?

Do we continue with this attacking set-up or does TF revert to safety first again?
 
harr1984 said:
Well that was the low minimum bar expected, yes. But also maybe win a game now and then, against say for example two teams in the bottom three.

Considering it was outrageously bad when these type of defeats happened last season that you want to replace the guy who actually won us a trophy, it's safe to say it's not going to be acceptable the following season....
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Bit of a different job picking up a declining team to overseeing the decline though.

Last season i read results were acceptable because of injuries, not sure why they're not now
 
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