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Thomas Frank - Head Coach

harr1984 said:
It seems like because you are very pro Frank you create your own reasons as to why people aren't happy with him. Considering a lot of people wanted Glasner and Ireola both from unfashionable clubs doesn't really go with what you're saying - like it or not it's the style of football that's the issue not being at Brentford, and there are people on here who wanted Frank at the beginning and are now voicing their concerns because of what's being served up and those concerns wouldn't be any different if he has come from Real Madrid or the ilk.
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I am pro the manager who is at my club for a time period that I feel is needed, it could be Frank or anyone, if you look back at the time if you can be arsed I was not banging the Frank drum, but I will defend him in this shortest of periods knowing the club as well as I think I do.

That said there have been loads of snide digs about the level of Brentford on here "you ain't at Brentford now" "You ain't at a small club now"........me calling that out has nothing to do with being Pro Frank, its just a sh1t look IMO against any manager

harr1984 said:
As for the Andrews thing, just because some Brentford fans were comfortable with Frank going because they trust the guy at the top and the infrastructure is not any sort of reflection on Frank and his past performance and just purely an indicator of how well run they are and how together the club and fans are - Not really sure where any tearing Franks record down is.....
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There have been numerous digs about him, not just on the Andrews part, its spread over a few topics on here.

Edit: I have just had a quick search of some and there are ridiculous levels of digs about his time from some, I ain't calling them by name on here because life and Monday is too short, but its there. Just keep an eye open, just because you ain't doing it, doesn't mean its not happening
 
Robspur12 said:
Honestly -yes I would back this team. And that decision is based on TF having brought a team up from the Championship and keeping them there season after season. He knows what it takes to keep a team up. I genuinely believe, if he is given time, and some patience from the fan base he will get this right. Booing players especially during matches will not help.

Now I could be wrong of course as I don't have a crystal ball. But, based on what I know of him I am confident he will turn our form around so we'll have to agree to disagree.
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He did a great job at Brentford, but keeping a team up isn't the same as what is required with us. So far he has not shown that he can develop the style of football that is demanded here. That's not to say he can't change, just so far it's been poor.
 
DubSpur said:
He did a great job at Brentford, but keeping a team up isn't the same as what is required with us. So far he has not shown that he can develop the style of football that is demanded here. That's not to say he can't change, just so far it's been poor.
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Being able to pick up points at Brentford to keep them up in the PL with what he had (as well as it was put together) translates to every job in the world..........winning games of football

Where would any manager in the world come from if they didn't come from lesser sides? You would be literally shopping in a pool of about 12 managers.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Exactly this, people had made their mind up on Frank before he joined and are now drumming that now, the thing is, managers and players have to come from somewhere, this idea that good players and managers only come from good clubs of equal or better standing is just year 11 playground stuff. Its also snobbery. He did a ridiculously decent job at Brentford and that should be respected. We even have people trying to tear that record down now because Andrews is doing well there also. Its ridiculous
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Nobody is trying to tear down what he did at Brentford because of Andrews doing well there. Andrews was brought up because of a question about who is doing better currently than Frank 4 months into a job. The response was Andrews. That's not tearing down what Frank did there.
 
harr1984 said:
It seems like because you are very pro Frank you create your own reasons as to why people aren't happy with him. Considering a lot of people wanted Glasner and Ireola both from unfashionable clubs doesn't really go with what you're saying - like it or not it's the style of football that's the issue not being at Brentford, and there are people on here who wanted Frank at the beginning and are now voicing their concerns because of what's being served up and those concerns wouldn't be any different if he has come from Real Madrid or the ilk.

As for the Andrews thing, just because some Brentford fans were comfortable with Frank going because they trust the guy at the top and the infrastructure is not any sort of reflection on Frank and his past performance and just purely an indicator of how well run they are and how together the club and fans are - Not really sure where any tearing Franks record down is.....
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I wanted Frank

Said it on here and it can easily be found

Maybe I was wrong, but then I’m not accountable for making that decision as a fan

What worries me is when I did my research the bits I liked where his earlier days at Brentford. He showed flexibility and played good footy (could be what he inherited from Warburton)

What we’re seeing here as his early days is a guy who changing everything, every game and create a climate of organised chaos. The team on the pitch looks less and less it’s organised game by game and the style of play is so basic.

Despite what people will say we have invested heavily in him. He wanted the players we have brought in and all are first team ready players (not young prospects).

Yes he is missing 3 players which he has been missing the whole time he has been here.

Yes he is dealing with a club with awful home form that precedes him, but he also had equally bad home form at Brentford

What’s in his favour is:
No obvious replacement
He was reasonably expensive to recruit
Vinai has publicly said that he (Frank) ticked all the boxes the club needed.
He is a nice bloke

What’s again him is:
The football is the worst we have seen statistically
He is choosing to not use a very high value purchase brought for him (never a good look, even if he may not be the right player)
There ware match going fans are very very unhappy with what they are seeing and being vocal
The players don’t appear to be aligned to the football they are being asked to play (appear, not fact)

What this means is a testing time ahead. I thought before Saturday he had to win the 2 home games or he was gone. The way we lost the first one in such a timid way with the fan anger has escalated things.

What may work in his favour is the change of ownership but we don’t know how they will play this, if at all

Gonna be a very noisy few weeks at Tottenham, that’s for sure
 
Grays_1890 said:
Being able to pick up points at Brentford to keep them up in the PL with what he had (as well as it was put together) translates to every job in the world..........winning games of football

Where would any manager in the world come from if they didn't come from lesser sides? You would be literally shopping in a pool of about 12 managers.
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Teams looking to avoid relegation can concentrate on being hard to beat, be happy picking up a point against midtable teams, and beating the team around them. Teams looking to get into the European spots need to be able to break down teams and not just worrying about not conceding.

Most come from lesser sides. Some make the step up, some don't. So far Frank hasn't made the step up. I 100% hope he does because he's the first manager we've had since Poch that I can say I actually like, I just don't see anything at this point that gives me hope.
 
DubSpur said:
Nobody is trying to tear down what he did at Brentford because of Andrews doing well there. Andrews was brought up because of a question about who is doing better currently than Frank 4 months into a job. The response was Andrews. That's not tearing down what Frank did there.
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You say that like its a definitive answer, like you are not so no one is, I literally see it on here and social media a couple of times a day.
 
DubSpur said:
Teams looking to avoid relegation can concentrate on being hard to beat, be happy picking up a point against midtable teams, and beating the team around them. Teams looking to get into the European spots need to be able to break down teams and not just worrying about not conceding.

Most come from lesser sides. Some make the step up, some don't. So far Frank hasn't made the step up. I 100% hope he does because he's the first manager we've had since Poch that I can say I actually like, I just don't see anything at this point that gives me hope.
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You don't stay up by just getting draws or being hard to beat, you have to have stuff about you. There was a video on here I posted about Brentford where they were for a long period making the most chances in the league, so it wasn't always just about being defensive, it never was
 
Yiddo said:
I hate to say it but the only thing thats going to get the fans back onside is Poch coming back. I can’t see anything else pleasing the worst fan base in the country.
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Agree, that would unite the fanbase - for four or five weeks, until he lost a couple of games and then we'd be getting 'You should never go back...What did he win with us last time?...He's done nothing serious since leaving us...'.
 
Grays_1890 said:
You don't stay up by just getting draws or being hard to beat, you have to have stuff about you. There was a video on here I posted about Brentford where they were for a long period making the most chances in the league, so it wasn't always just about being defensive, it never was
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You left out the bit about beating those around you. As I've said elsewhere he was really good tactically and able to adjust his team to the opposition at Brentford, getting some great results. Unfortunately, I don't see that here. I don't know the reason for that, fear or something else, but he has us playing basic football no matter who the opposition is. If you don't think that's a concern, that's fine, I do, we'll just have to disagree.
 
DubSpur said:
I haven't seen it on here and I avoid the cesspit that is social media, 99% of it comes from macarons.
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There is a fair bit of it on here. Loads of digs about him, I just find alot of it really reactionary and OTT, and its not just Frank, I would be saying that about anyone in the job at this point (unless they had had 2 years go at it)
 
DubSpur said:
You left out the bit about beating those around you. As I've said elsewhere he was really good tactically and able to adjust his team to the opposition at Brentford, getting some great results. Unfortunately, I don't see that here. I don't know the reason for that, fear or something else, but he has us playing basic football no matter who the opposition is. If you don't think that's a concern, that's fine, I do, we'll just have to disagree.
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He also did well beating bigger sides in his time there.

On the bolded, I don't expect any manager to come in and hit the ground running here, if they do its a bonus, Ange start was phenomenal but was probably the abnormality in the two years and not the standard. I have seen various starts from all kinds of levels of managers, managers who were considered world class to the not so world class all with varying degrees of starts and overall success.

Thats why I am giving him time, thats why I will give the next manager time also
 
Grays_1890 said:
I am pro the manager who is at my club for a time period that I feel is needed, it could be Frank or anyone, if you look back at the time if you can be arsed I was not banging the Frank drum, but I will defend him in this shortest of periods knowing the club as well as I think I do.

That said there have been loads of snide digs about the level of Brentford on here "you ain't at Brentford now" "You ain't at a small club now"........me calling that out has nothing to do with being Pro Frank, its just a sh1t look IMO against any manager



There have been numerous digs about him, not just on the Andrews part, its spread over a few topics on here.

Edit: I have just had a quick search of some and there are ridiculous levels of digs about his time from some, I ain't calling them by name on here because life and Monday is too short, but its there. Just keep an eye open, just because you ain't doing it, doesn't mean its not happening
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Fair play, I can only say what I've seen and if there's more I've missed then fair enough you're right to say as you were and shouldn't have questioned it. Probably in reference to how stylistically things can be different at a 'smaller club' along with expectations but I get what you're saying.


To me it feels like the consensus was one of being behind Frank when he was appointed, and even now almost everyone is still fine giving him time but with the caveat that the football needs to improve some point soonish or he will be in trouble.

Being at Spurs is a step up in so many ways, and many decent managers fail here. We are an absolute basket case of a club :D .....
 
Mikey10 said:
Agree, that would unite the fanbase - for four or five weeks, until he lost a couple of games and then we'd be getting 'You should never go back...What did he win with us last time?...He's done nothing serious since leaving us...'.
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I honestly don't think he's the answer. We need someone who did what he did in uniting the fanbase, but I don't think it's as simple as just bringing him back....
 
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