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Grays_1890 said:
The rise of outright racism in this country is horrific mate. Seeing it more and more now in life, on transport, overhearing conversations etc......dreadful
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I recently came across a speech Albert Camus gave in March 1945 (think about THAT!)...it described a war on intelligence, and essentially detailed what I see as having been a thing globally for the last while or so...check this quote from his speech. "A few years ago, when Nazis had just seized power, Goering gave a fair idea of their philosophy by declaring: 'When anyone talks to me of intelligence, I take out my revolver.' And that philosophy was not limited to Germany. At the same time throughtout civilised Europe the excesses of intelligence and faults of the intellectual were being pointed out..."
I mean, it could've been written last week!!!!!
 
Baleforce said:
how has he not been arrested for that?

surely thats inciting a hate crime
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As much as it is awful what happened to the family as a result if you start arresting people for sharing videos or photos with "WTF is going on, where are the parents?" You'd be arresting half the population. We have entered a real era of police officer being a total sh*t show job because people have the expectation that they must respond to every little petty grievance with the full force of the law and then complain about responses to serious crimes.

An arrest isnt just an arrest, its then taking him to a custody suite, waiting in the inevitable queue to see the custody sergeant, booking him in, and the sergeant expects a robust legal explanation for the offence and the necessity for the arrest as opposed to another alternative such as invite for a voluntary interview under caution.

Then you've got to wait for the solicitor if they want one and/or for an interview suite to become available.

Then you've got to do the interview.

Then you've got to sort bail.

Then you've got to write the whole thing up and file it.

An arrest is f*cking hours sometimes days worth of work.
 
You can often map a clear path from a person's anguish, in this case the person in the video and how the anguish started in this case from someone sharing a video and falsely claiming them to be a paedophile and take action.

At the end of the day it isn't enough to just shrug our shoulders at someone being horrendously wronged and say "the paper trails too hard to right the wrong"

The internet is the new street, if people are putting out racism, inciting violence, harassing people and stalking, it needs to be dealt with because ONLINE is fast eclipsing in person interactions as a norm, as I say, no good pretending stuff online is just free speech where in real life its racism and just shrugging our shoulders saying "its too hard a job to sort".
 
Grays_1890 said:
You can often map a clear path from a person's anguish, in this case the person in the video and how the anguish started in this case from someone sharing a video and falsely claiming them to be a paedophile and take action.

At the end of the day it isn't enough to just shrug our shoulders at someone being horrendously wronged and say "the paper trails too hard to right the wrong"

The internet is the new street, if people are putting out racism, inciting violence, harassing people and stalking, it needs to be dealt with because ONLINE is fast eclipsing in person interactions as a norm, as I say, no good pretending stuff online is just free speech where in real life its racism and just shrugging our shoulders saying "its too hard a job to sort".
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The question is whether an arrest is necessary.
The police get reports like this all the time BTW. Reports of old man paedoing in a park that turns out to be their grandad giving them a hug is literally a routine job in the police. People are nosey and love jumping to conclusions/assumptions.

Also the article seems to imply that TR didn't acuse him of being a paedo, if you're dealing with him posting a video and saying "wtf is going on here where are the parents" you're up against it making out the offence as its kind of implied which then other people have taken to the next level but they will point to "TR posted it" so you're going to the responsibility people have if they have large followings and policing the rapid chain reactions and Chinese whispers of SM is practically an impossibility.

I mean how many people are you having to investigate here to take into account all of the potential offences leading to the outcome where his employer has suspended him etc? Thats the problem. If 1,000 people have called him a paedo and 1,000s more have shared it it turns into a f**king nightmare. This is where we need the social media platforms to start taking responsibility and applying a bit of consequence management to accounts
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
The question is whether an arrest is necessary.
The police get reports like this all the time BTW. Reports of old man paedoing in a park that turns out to be their grandad giving them a hug is literally a routine job in the police. People are nosey and love jumping to conclusions/assumptions.

Also the article seems to imply that TR didn't acuse him of being a paedo, if you're dealing with him posting a video and saying "wtf is going on here where are the parents" you're up against it making out the offence as its kind of implied which then other people have taken to the next level but they will point to "TR posted it" so you're going to the responsibility people have if they have large followings and policing the rapid chain reactions and Chinese whispers of SM is practically an impossibility.

I mean how many people are you having to investigate here to take into account all of the potential offences leading to the outcome where his employer has suspended him etc? Thats the problem. If 1,000 people have called him a paedo and 1,000s more have shared it it turns into a f**king nightmare. This is where we need the social media platforms to start taking responsibility and applying a bit of consequence management to accounts
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Im not talking about Chinese whispers though, I am talking about when there are clear cases of people being targeted which happens a hell of alot with zero consequence.

Then simply online needs to be policed better so that people are not so fully comfortable saying what they are online that they clearly would not say in life. People will argue against things like having to provide ID for social media (usually those with stuff to hide) but I would 100% advocate it and stop Dave@12347658 and the like the ability to be racist and make baseless accusations online. As soon as Musk and FB Bell3nd cosied up to the idea that anything written online was fair game and free speech the world became a darker place and people like this the poor bloke talked about originally have it FAR tougher as a result.

Humans are unfortunately cnuts in large numbers, if people don't think that requires a level of policing and restriction online then I think those people are being extremely dumb
 
Grays_1890 said:
Im not talking about Chinese whispers though, I am talking about when there are clear cases of people being targeted which happens a hell of alot with zero consequence.

Then simply online needs to be policed better so that people are not so fully comfortable saying what they are online that they clearly would not say in life. People will argue against things like having to provide ID for social media (usually those with stuff to hide) but I would 100% advocate it and stop Dave@12347658 and the like the ability to be racist and make baseless accusations online. As soon as Musk and FB Bell3nd cosied up to the idea that anything written online was fair game and free speech the world became a darker place and people like this the poor bloke talked about originally have it FAR tougher as a result.

Humans are unfortunately cnuts in large numbers, if people don't think that requires a level of policing and restriction online then I think those people are being extremely dumb
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100% the social media companies need to take responsibility for the sh*t that goes down on there
 
Gutter Boy said:
I feel sorry for him. He must have been so badly abused as a child to hate the world so much. I hope he gets all the years of psychiatric treatment he needs
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I’m sure he grew up in a reasonably affluent area of beds and had decent family from what I know
The fact his real name is Stephen Yaxley Lennon … and he adopted his new name says a lot about how he has separated himself from his real family
He was also (iirc) charged with mortgage fraud long before he started his right wing campaign
 
ricky2tricky4city said:
Yeah. That would be silly as well, offering an opinion from his pov.

I've asked you about some facts and figures on the issue and why you called them 'douchebags'. I haven't offered an opinion, apart from semi supporting your
idea that they're illegal on point of entry.

I do ask quite a few questions but you very rarely answer.
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So according to the BBC since 2018 to now:
- 75% of arrivals are men, 25% women
- 84% of arrivals are adult, 16% of arrivals are children
- The BBC note a recent change in demographics with recent arrivals being significantly more weighted to adult males with the number of children making the crossing since January 2025 dropping to 10%.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
So according to the BBC since 2018 to now:
- 75% of arrivals are men, 25% women
- 84% of arrivals are adult, 16% of arrivals are children
- The BBC note a recent change in demographics with recent arrivals being significantly more weighted to adult males with the number of children making the crossing since January 2025 dropping to 10%.
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Or as the far right would say.. war mongering age and sex
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Or as the far right would say.. war mongering age and sex
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Well if I was to speculate particularly on the recent change I'd say the deterences put in place by UK and France are impacting the number of families attempting the crossing, I.e. the current desperate scrambles by politicians to be seen to "do something" is clamping down on genuine refugees while the "douchebags" are still making the crossing in ever increasing numbers.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Well if I was to speculate particularly on the recent change I'd say the deterences put in place by UK and France are impacting the number of families attempting the crossing, I.e. the current desperate scrambles by politicians to be seen to "do something" is clamping down on genuine refugees while the "douchebags" are still making the crossing in ever increasing numbers.
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Could well be that
 
thfcsteff said:
I recently came across a speech Albert Camus gave in March 1945 (think about THAT!)...it described a war on intelligence, and essentially detailed what I see as having been a thing globally for the last while or so...check this quote from his speech. "A few years ago, when Nazis had just seized power, Goering gave a fair idea of their philosophy by declaring: 'When anyone talks to me of intelligence, I take out my revolver.' And that philosophy was not limited to Germany. At the same time throughtout civilised Europe the excesses of intelligence and faults of the intellectual were being pointed out..."
I mean, it could've been written last week!!!!!
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Ohhh, do you have a link to that speech?
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Well if I was to speculate particularly on the recent change I'd say the deterences put in place by UK and France are impacting the number of families attempting the crossing, I.e. the current desperate scrambles by politicians to be seen to "do something" is clamping down on genuine refugees while the "douchebags" are still making the crossing in ever increasing numbers.
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So men coming on their own are automatically “douchebags”? If only TUI offered some kind of family package deal.
 
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