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Next Manager?

DTA said:
Yes, like:
- building relationships with those at the club now
- studying the statistical analysis we have on all our players.
- learning what training was lacking in the last few years.
- tailoring training based at least partially on the above.
- moving to a new country or at least City unless its woy, settling himself and family. House hunting, finding out the best kebab shop that kind of thing

And a whole host of other things
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Agree. We are now already behind the curve. I have no problem with a bit of time being taken over an appoitment, but two months - with pre-season now knocking on the door - is a ridiculous situation for us to have landed ourselves in.
 
BrainOfLevy said:
Fair. If it comes out that we are more financially fudged than we’d like to admit as a result of Covid, and that’s why we’re hunting in the bargain aisle, I’d fully accept it. Still wouldn’t quite explain the sudden switch from Fonseca to Gattuso, but it would explain the general trend and direction. Maybe we’ll be a better job for a top candidate again in a couple of years.

If that’s the case, I don’t think anyone who is fair could complain. But either way, I think people’s nervousness comes from the fact it doesn’t look like we are pushing on. Being told to wait and see or not believe everything you read in the face of a chaotic two month search doesn’t really fly. If it really is that we just don’t have the cash and we really need to use this time to give opportunities to our academy, by all means, the club would have my full support during a tough time.
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No idea mate, not going to pretend any of us has a clue what is going on.

What I would say is, I could see some logic to the club
- Getting in a DoF, focus on dumping some deadwood, securing the core of the future team
- Get in a manager who could do a job in the circumstances
- Play out the next two seasons, hopefully get back into regular Europe, have stadium cash come in
- Look to make the next big push under the following manager

And yes, that seems terribly unambitious, but there could be some plan in there.
 
Lilbaz said:
Not saying he's bad. More on other sites they think he's the one. I just don't see that he's improved them that much.

He got them to the semi against us in the cl. That was it.
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I think he has also won them 3 doubles on the spin (they hadn't won the league for a couple of years before he joined I don't think (could be wrong there though).

I don't think the THFC job is a particularly attractive proposition right now. I think ETH is as good a first team coach/manager as we could hope for.
 
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Mikey10 said:
Agree. We are now already behind the curve. I have no problem with a bit of time being taken over an appoitment, but two months - with pre-season now knocking on the door - is a ridiculous situation for us to have landed ourselves in.
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Indefensible.

It is the absence of a plan that bothers me. I had always assumed Levy had a plan, now it turns out he lucked out on Poch and sure the stadium was a plan but as clear as day that was just to increase the asset price.

I did not like Mourinho but to sack him 3 days before a cup final. 2 months later to still have no manager. To approach someone and to get to the stage where you discuss transfers then withdraw the offer.

Honestly it is only habit that keeps me talking about spurs because I am done as long as Levy is here.
 
scaramanga said:
Any manager worth his salt will have already analysed our players. He'll learn far more from training with them - he can't do that until they return.

I'm sure Doris the tea lady will be fine missing a couple of weeks of "relationship building" with the new manager.
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Why would any manager worth his salt already have analysed our players? Managers of teams who played us last season would've done some analysis on us but most of the names linked with us haven't been in charge of teams who played against us.
 
Mikey10 said:
Agree. We are now already behind the curve. I have no problem with a bit of time being taken over an appoitment, but two months - with pre-season now knocking on the door - is a ridiculous situation for us to have landed ourselves in.
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Completely. Its way overdue. We've spent too long chasing unicorns and only recently have we moved on to a manager (Fonseca) where you'd say that there was a high probability of us landing them. We now need to be moving to the 2nd manager where we have a high probability of landing them but if the preferred choice is ETH and it looks like it'll take a month to get him, with limited clarity of whether it might succeed, then we need to move to the next one
 
I understand this job is probably not an attractive one but if you can get us playing good football and win a trophy you could become a crowd favourite quite quickly.
 
It did appear that Patarici was on our radar for quite some time, but it still took a while to get him officially signed up. It definitely feels like we had our 'list' (managers) and he had his. What we don't know is how much overlap there was of those lists and the depth of discussions prior to his announcement.

To fail to be on the same page this early in the relationship would be careless at best. FWIW I don't think it is that but, (mainly as imo the Gattuso stuff was largely noise from his camp, Mendes etc) it does feel a bit like we done some leg work and interviewing from our list, and when that didn't bare fruit got Patarici in to plunder his list.

The time since Jose left is a bit of a red herring, if he had left at the end of the season, it would have made this gap shorter but all it would have meant is 6 more weeks of Jose...great:rolleyes:.

Financially we are in a tight spot, any events, bums on seats type businesses are, we still continued on playing and relatively speaking have a massive wage bill to service (players wise). Marry the financial situation with the qualities and cycle of the current squad, the DofF route makes sense (as long as we have got the right man... Campos, Rangnick anyone?), an in depth understanding of the market, and expertise on spotting talent equals being smarter with our acquisition s and better bang for our limited buck.

It's looking like a two season flip, until that spending power returns to the projected levels that were built into the grand plan. Remember, we should be just about to start season 4 of being in the new stadium with full income from everything it can provide, if my prediction is right and it takes this season and next to get back to full power we are 5 years out from where we should have been. And if you're honest, no-one is to blame for that.

I think Levy thought we were primed to be winners, and all we needed was a winner to drag us over the line. This was a massive misjudgement. It was Poch overachieving that had created that mirage. That said, Jose was appointed before Covid, stadium online, the cash rolling in, if he had the foresight to predict covid (yeah right:rolleyes:) was happening he'd have never gone for Jose, the financial landscape shifted.

The only way we over achieve in the next two years is if we 'luck out' with another manager that overachieves with what he has to work with in the short term. The club is more aiming (or should be) for that period a bit further on when everything settles down again and actually allows us to resume on the path that should have started 3 seasons ago. This all does look a bit messy and drawn out BUT, given the Euros, there is still time, and a good appointment is still imperative (I didn't want to say 'the right'):D
 
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scaramanga said:
Any manager worth his salt will have already analysed our players. He'll learn far more from training with them - he can't do that until they return.

I'm sure Doris the tea lady will be fine missing a couple of weeks of "relationship building" with the new manager.
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So you are saying that we are giving detailed analysis of training metrics to people that havent signed on the dotted line?

And don't underestimate the benefits of fostering relationships with Doris the tea lady, or josh the security guard, Ben the groundsman etc. These things actually make a difference
 
DTA said:
So you are saying that we are giving detailed analysis of training metrics to people that havent signed on the dotted line?

And don't underestimate the benefits of fostering relationships with Doris the tea lady, or josh the security guard, Ben the groundsman etc. These things actually make a difference
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I think at the start we could have got Potter, I don't think we can now. He would be mad to come with such a split squad and being thirtieth choice.

No decent manager will come unless like Mourinho they just fancy picking up a couple of million a year for 18 months before they were sacked.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
I think at the start we could have got Potter, I don't think we can now. He would be mad to come with such a split squad and being thirtieth choice.

No decent manager will come unless like Mourinho they just fancy picking up a couple of million a year for 18 months before they were sacked.
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And who doesn't?
 
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