Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
What success have they had?
They havent won anything
3rd most money spent and they generally finish...., 3rd
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Next Manager?
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They havent won anything
3rd most money spent and they generally finish...., 3rd
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
That’s the kicker
You have people who have seen what Poch did with 4 years experience and quickly forget that...
Yet managers with 10 years experience get written off as their not names
It’s an odd view IMO but very typical of the all or nothing set up in modern football
SteveAWOL
Colin Calderwood
Gazza
Nick Barmby
Did he not fail Harry and Poch in the market?
Gazza
Nick Barmby
Just look at their player recruitment and sales, and still improving season on season.
Gazza
Nick Barmby
But had players and infrastructure to make it a success .... are you really comparing?
Simpleton thinking sorry.
Bishop
Paul Stalteri
He wants an attack minded manager who develops young players yet hired Mourinho in the first place. Is he serious? [emoji28]
When it comes to football matters Teflon Don Levy once again comes across as clueless.
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Don't see how you get from "strong credentials in developing young players" to "teams made up of youth players".
braineclipse
Willie Hall
Some experience I agree with, probably shouldn't go into the next season with Mason. But how much experience?
Who would you say have enough experience, and enough quality?
Mikey10
Pat van den Hauwe
And when that doesn’t work he’ll go after Benitez.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
Ok
So they haven’t won anything
And haven’t really got near to winning anything
And their managers role in the things you highlight is minimal
He hasn’t even done 2 seasons there yet and has 5 (five) years management experience
DeanoAustin
Christian Ziege
That wasn't the point you were making though. You said managers were destined to fail under Levy. Three have been big successes overall under him.
For the record, I think he failed Poch big time in the market. I believed it then and I believe it now. On Harry, I think he more failed the club. Harry was hitching his skirt and was up in court at the time so I'd imagine Levy probably decided at that point that he wasn't for the long term. But we were fighting for the title and were just a bit shy in a couple of positions. To pick up an over the hill Ryan Nelson and crocked Louis Saha was poor from him. So yeah, Levy hasn't always covered himself in glory in that respect.
SpurMeUp
Jimmy Cantrell
Right. Mourinho was experienced. But probably a far better manager when younger. With younger managers there can be greater hunger, they are not as wealthy and have everything to prove. So experience is not all that vital for me. If you know how to set a team up to win football matches, know how to be a psychologist and motivator, then you have the ingredients. How good you are at these things should determine whether you're a good manager, not your CV.
Hotspur75
Danny Murphy
I broadly agree with what your saying, with one addition. The new manager's cv matters, because it matters to the players. It was clear that someone like Kane was impressed by Mourinho. That is important, especially at this junction, with all the talk of him leaving and the whole Super League drama. I do think that Nagelsmann is there or thereabouts in terms of reputation. Ironically, losing convincingly to Leipzig in the CL last year may help us now.
SpurMeUp
Jimmy Cantrell
I think players - like everyone - are impressed by peoples actions. You might also be off-put by some slick-rick manager coming into your workplace like he's GHod himself (see Mourinho), and far more receptive to a manager who's on your level and wants to build a cohesive team spirit.
Hotspur75
Danny Murphy
Yes, absolutely - and I'm pretty sure that our players remember being outplayed and outrun by Leipzig. But it's late April, and like every summer players are facing decisions. Will they stick around long enough to experience that cohesive team spirit?
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
And that in turn shows a bigger issue
I’ll use Potter again as reference...
He beat Pochs Tottenham side and also Jose’s side. Arguably that’s better than beating a weakened side in a bad period.
But Nagelsmann is the trendy progressive name, so if sells
Hotspur75
Danny Murphy
I see your point that it's too easy to jump on the Nagelsmann bandwagon - and I agree in principle. But I think he might just combine the various elements we need in a manager. I was extremely impressed by Leipzig when they played us. He made someone like Angelino, the left-back, a much better player than he was at PSV and on the rare occasions that he played at City. He turned Werner and Sabitzer into top players. He dragged a non-glamorous club like Hoffenheim up the table, and even though most of this is a combination of speculation and hope, he might be just the right guy to integrate the likes of Skipp and Sessegnon into the team. He's educated, young, and ambitious, and Bayern (who have a very good eye for managers) apparently want him. It's a gamble, sure, but it's more than him just being trendy. And then there's the 'cv matters to the players' aspect too.
Baleforce
Ron Henry
I think we were a weakened side in a bad period in those defeats against Brighton too.