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Yves Bissouma

Discussion in 'Spurs News & Views' started by Glenda's Legs, 17 Jun 2022.

  1. Bullet

    Bullet Steffen Freund

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    4 + optional 2 is standard
     
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    Lilbaz Steve Carr

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    According to fbref skipp was better at progressive passes than bentancur last season. Skipp was in the 72nd percentile, bentancur 62nd percentile. Don't know if bentancurs time at juve dragged his stats down though as he might have had a different role or instructions.
     
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  3. Bishop

    Bishop Mauricio Taricco

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    That's very interesting as to eye I definitely wouldn't say Skipp was a particularly progressive passer or moreso than Bentancur. Do you recall of it was a percentage of their passes or total volume of progressive passes?

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  4. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Steve Carr

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    It was the amount of progressive passes. Although skipp had a better pass accuracy aswell. Bentancur a lot better in other areas though.

    https://fbref.com/en/players/6250083a/Oliver-Skipp

    https://fbref.com/en/players/3b8674e6/Rodrigo-Bentancur
     
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    LemonadeMoney Les Ferdinand

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    Daisuk Tom Huddlestone

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    He seems like a bit of a character, hopefully a positive one to have around the dressing rooms. Seems a very good fit for us, I must say! :)

     
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    Kandi1977 Les Howe

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    He was already a Spurs legend for openly laughing at Arsenal failing to get top 4 in 2019, (starting to become a really fun tradition!) and his legendary status will only increase once he actually starts playing for spurs.
    A good thing can't be shown too often, so here it is, once again!
     
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  8. Transylvanian

    Transylvanian Phil Gray

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    Will have to do without him every two years when he leaves for the Africa Cup of Nations.
     
  9. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Steve Carr

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    The african nations will be played out of season.
     
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    Transylvanian Phil Gray

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    You're right. I didn't know that, assumed it was still in January-February.
     
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  11. braineclipse

    braineclipse David Ginola

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    Think it's worth paying attention to how such stats are operationalised.

    From fbref on progressive passes: "Completed passes that move the ball towards the opponent's goal at least 10 yards from its furthest point in the last six passes, or any completed pass into the penalty area. Excludes passes from the defending 40% of the pitch.

    Skipp scores a 51, just about bang on average for progressive passing distance. Bentancur scores a 58. Operationalised as: "Total distance, in yards, that completed passes have traveled towards the opponent's goal. Note: Passes away from opponent's goal are counted as zero progressive yards."

    So who was the better progressive passer last season? I'd say the stats don't tell us that. Too many variables that aren't accounted for. Not enough difference between them to see the stats as significantly different.
     
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    elltrev Kasey Keller

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    Worth noting that Hojbjerg was in 89th and 93rd percentiles respectively. I’ve always felt that a lot of people underrate his passing.
     
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  13. Baleforce

    Baleforce Clive Allen

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    He can pull off Kane level passing at times, then fudge up a 5 yard sideways.
     
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    ricky2tricky4city Rafael Van Der Vaart

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    Thats certainly true.

    D'you remember that pass for Aurier at Old Trafford?
     
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    Baleforce Clive Allen

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    I do
     
  16. braineclipse

    braineclipse David Ginola

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    I agree that his passing is somewhat underrated.

    Somewhat interesting example of how stats can change over time. 20/21 his numbers were fairly similar (75 and 89). 19/20 season quite a bit lower (61 and 60). Did he get better, or more a result of different team, different role different style of play? I would suggest mostly those latter factors.

    Bissoumas progressive passing numbers really are atrocious, on the surface at least. 7 and 25. Sometimes in the thirties in previous seasons, but quite a few lower than 20, even single digits.

    Last season at Lille in League 1 he had 89 and 73 though. Easier league with more time and space? Role and team and all that?

    I've always seen him as a tidy passer, but may be that he's just mostly been keeping things rather simple and safe with his passing so it hasn't stood out.

    To support that it may be style of play i looked at some other Brighton players. According to whoscored his most frequent partners in midfield were Gross (71 and 78) and Moder (40 and 21). But both also played different positions as well as having different roles to Bissouma when in midfield. Lallana is a good progressive passer isn't he? And usually plays deep for them? Meh numbers at best actually (37 and 26).

    I think there's a decent argument to be made overall that Bissouma's low numbers are a result of his role and Brighton's style to some degree.

    From what I've seen from clips it matches quite well with the stats. Dribble or run with the ball if he can, likes to hold on to the ball a bit. Occasional purposeful forward passes, but mostly easy and safe sideways or backwards.

    It will be interesting to see how he does for us if (when) Conte wants him to add more direct forward passes to his game, playing our style. I'm not convinced it's a really natural part of his game, but I think he has the ability to do well enough at it at the very least.
     
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    monkeybarry Chris Perry

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    That stat needs context.
    Dembele would have had atrocious numbers - but he was still an absolute beast at moving the ball from the edge of our area to the opposition's - just not with passing.
     
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    parklane1 Terry Dyson

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    Indeed, stats have a use but there are those who believe they tell the WHOLE story and they seldom do.
     
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    Bishop Mauricio Taricco

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    Watching the player AND looking at stats can help give a fuller picture if you take all the context into account.

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  20. markysimmo

    markysimmo Johnny nice-tits

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    My youngest keeps doing the Bissouma chant in and around the pool where we are this week

    she shouts it especially loud when she is cannon-balling into the pool

    One proud Dad haha
     
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