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The Official 2022/23 Premier League Thread

Discussion in 'General Football' started by glorygloryeze, 7 Jun 2022.

  1. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Michael Carrick

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    It's entertainment at the end of the day. Who wants to watch a game where the ball is out of play for the majority?
     
  2. Baleforce

    Baleforce Steve Archibald

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    I want to watch a game where the better prepared and smarter team wins.

    If the game is only about attacking, it could become like basketball, which I find really boring.

    I want to see a well executed game plan succeed, and I appreciate defensive ones, just as much as attacking ones.
     
  3. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Michael Carrick

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    It doesn't just have to be about attacking it just should be in play. The average time the ball is in lay in the prem now is 54 minutes a game. That has dropped from 60 mins 10 years ago. It's a joke.
     
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  4. Baleforce

    Baleforce Steve Archibald

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    I think the relevance of the ball to the game is overstated, player movement matters most, space, and players still move, and the space still changes, whilst the ball is waiting to come back in.

    You need the ball to score a goal, but the actions that make the goal, happen before the ball arrives.
     
  5. Jordinho

    Jordinho John Cameron Staff Member

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    That's why they should make it 2 x 30 mins and stop the clock when the ball isn't in play.
     
  6. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Michael Carrick

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    They are meant to stop the clock now when the ball isn't in play. But they don't. They give a rough judgement of how much injury time to add on.
     
  7. K.D.D.D.D.Soc

    K.D.D.D.D.Soc Frederic Kanoute

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    Id prefer to watch games where teams play with a degree of freedom, letting players express themselves, too many games are spoilt by negative game plans and players keeping it safe.
     
  8. Baleforce

    Baleforce Steve Archibald

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    but then the teams with more money and technically better players would always win, “negative” game plans can give some teams a better chance of a result

    defending is football too
     
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  9. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Michael Carrick

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    Dfending is fine. Time wasting isn't, it's against the rules.
     
  10. glasgowspur

    glasgowspur Les Ferdinand

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    If you are warned for time wasting at point of a game then there should be no added time if you are losing at the end of the game.
     
  11. Kandi1977

    Kandi1977 Les Howe

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    We should just get rid of the ball. No need for it...
     
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  12. Baleforce

    Baleforce Steve Archibald

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    If you only watch the ball, you miss a lot of what’s important.

    A defender can play a perfect game without ever touching it.
     
  13. jts1882

    jts1882 Vedran Corluka

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    Seems fair. If a player is so keen to end the game, give them some help.

    P.S. I read recently that only one PL team averaged over 60 minute with the ball-in play this season. A 60 minute clock would increase the length of games if nothing else changed, although might decrease it if certain time wasting was curtailed.
     
  14. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Michael Carrick

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    Added time is meant to do that already. The ref is meant to stop the clock for injuries, subs, corners, free kicks, throwins etc... Obviously they are not doing it properly as we get on average 4 mins. So who's to say if we drop it to 60 mins they do it properly then?
     
  15. jts1882

    jts1882 Vedran Corluka

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    Here are some numbers (Opta via Daily Mail)

    Average Time Ball in Play ________________2020-21 __________ 2021-22

    Premier League ________________________56m 22s __________ 55m 7s

    Championship _________________________ 51m 26s __________ 52m 39s

    League One ___________________________ 51m 45s __________ 50m 23s

    League Two ___________________________ 49m 57s __________ 49m 45s


    Team 2021-22 ____ Ball in Play

    Emirates Marketing Project 60m 45s
    Liverpool 57m 12s
    Tottenham Hotspur 57m 8s
    Chelsea 56m 59s
    West Ham United 56m 38s
    Wolverhampton Wanderers 56m 32s
    Manchester United 56m 11
    Leicester City 55m 46s
    Brighton 55m 43s
    Arsenal 55m 34s
    Norwich City 55m 8s
    Crystal Palace 54m 5s
    Watford 54m 2s
    Everton 53m 41s
    Leeds United 53m 10s
    Brentford 53m 0s
    Burnley 52m 45s
    Southampton 52m 45s
    Newcastle United 52m 37s
    Aston Villa 52m 35m
     
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  16. Danishfurniturelover

    Danishfurniturelover the prettiest spice girl

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    Would be a fcuker trying to catch the last train home from a night match.
     
  17. Jordinho

    Jordinho John Cameron Staff Member

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    Take the responsibility for time keeping away from the on pitch ref. Most team team sports I can think of do that.
     
  18. Lilbaz

    Lilbaz Michael Carrick

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    Agreed.
     
  19. jts1882

    jts1882 Vedran Corluka

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    Yes, that would be a concern. Any attempt at the 60 minute clock would have to take measures to prevent the game getting longer. If well done it could even reduce the total time. Time wasting only works because it is allowed to work. A stopped clock would make it clearer who is a time wasting offender. Clubs could be fined for a pattern of slow games, with possible points deductions (like with England in the test cricket).
     
  20. K.D.D.D.D.Soc

    K.D.D.D.D.Soc Frederic Kanoute

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    As a former defender I agree, as a paying customer I want entertainment, not time wasting, park the bus stuff with robotic player following a plan slavishly, I'm a Blanchflowerist "about going out and beating the lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom"
     

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