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Putin & Russia

Discussion in 'Randomination' started by Rorschach, 25 Nov 2018.

  1. Jordinho

    Jordinho John Cameron Staff Member

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    monkeybarry Chris Perry

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    If I remember/understand correctly - that is the case. There is a values test on many areas.
    But I don't think they'd pass now.
     
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    El Guepardo Christian Ziege

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    What does this mean for the future? What action is required?
     
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    Mikey10 Vedran Corluka

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  5. Jordinho

    Jordinho John Cameron Staff Member

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    Economic sanctions are more of a long game. There will always be someone willing to buy their oil if the price is right. Cutting off supply of certain products they can't produce themselves will start hitting them sooner, like electronics for their missiles and tanks.

    The west has to do something about the blockade of Ukrainian ports though, so they can get their wheat out, but Putin doesn't really give a brick about any of this. As long as he thinks he can get something out of bombing the brick out of Ukraine, the war will continue.
     
  6. El Guepardo

    El Guepardo Christian Ziege

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    Will we all get drafted in? How does all that work? Guessing it’s youngest first and healthiest?
     
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    johnola Teemu Tainio

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    No chance of a draft any war will rapidly turn robotic drone v drone and anti missile capabilities to the fore. Large movements of personnel are doomed to failure.

    Also I cannot see any appetite for a voluntary expeditionary force from any nation to assist another beyond NATO professional commitments. Local voluntary defence forces will be set up.

    The real war will be against famine and a loss of focus on global environment issues. It is not impossible we will experience rationing in the U.K. first with fuel, then energy power supplies, and eventually food.
     
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    metalgear Jack Jull

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    metalgear Jack Jull

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    https://greatpowerrelations.com/post-review-of-kissingers-speech-in-davos-2022/

    Kissinger grasps the gravity of the situation but he was not just critical of the policy, he also offered an ominous warning that has been almost-entirely ignored by the media.

    Here’s what he said: “Negotiations need to begin in the next two months before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily overcome. Ideally, the dividing line should be a return to the status quo ante. Pursuing the war beyond that point would not be about the freedom of Ukraine but a new war against Russia itself”. His key arguments are:

    The US policy is wrong

    The US policy must be changed immediately or the damage to the US and its allies will be severe and permanent. (“Negotiations need to begin in the next two months”)



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  10. Rorschach

    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    Yeah, he's wrong as per ususal.
     
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    El Guepardo Christian Ziege

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    Yes as I can’t just attack my neighbours then after a while negotiate for their car. Doesn’t work like that.
     
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    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    And you are still camping in their garden since 2014!!
     
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    milo Jack L. Jones

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    Trixster Erik Edman

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    ITK thread ? :D
     
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    Jordinho John Cameron Staff Member

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    Jordinho John Cameron Staff Member

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    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    SpurMeUp Andy Thompson

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    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-cadwalladr-guardian-defamation-brexit-russia

    Funny how the prevailing sentiment often affects so-called black and white laws. The associations with Russia are looked at through an altered lens now. A year ago, no one really batted an eyelid when Russian-derived money funded UK lawyers to hound people who shone a light on their nefarious practices. If you have practically unlimited funds, you can abuse our libal laws to intimidate. Thankfully there has been a seachange, and maybe these actions won't be upheld as frequently now.
     
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    Rorschach Vivian Woodward

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    This is a good idea
     
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    DTA Tim Sherwood

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    Turkiye is also trying to negotiate safe passage for the grain exports through the Black Sea accompanied by the Turkish Navy. But that involves both Ukraine and Russia agreeing on how that should be done.
     
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